j/k ... Prolly I would sit by them with my ghastly white skin and numerous tattoos offset by the grey hair. Try and start a converstion, I would. Starting with, I am sooo confused sister, can you answer something for me?
:)
mental illness doesn't just run in my family, it strolls thru, getting to know each one of us up close and personal
exmorphmon Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Your more liberal CA mormon would have no > problems. However when their UT cousins came to > visit during Summer vacation, the complaining > would begin.
I laughed my ass off when I read that, because I lived it. :)
We moved from Utah to SoCal when I was 6. For the next 15 years, the UT cousins (from one side or the other) would come every summer. And there was always one (usually several) trips to the beach.
And *every single time* one or more of my aunts/uncles would start going on about how the scantily-clad women were making the beaches unsuitable for families and children, and ask how we could live in such a sinful place, with all this good-as-nudity around us. Complain, complain, complain, the self-righteous Utahns would.
And then they'd come back again next year, and immediately insist on going to the beach.
Sorry, no insult intended to thingsithink, but mormons are accustomed to ordinary "worldiness" that occurs in public. Bikinis are ubiquitous in western culture and completely germaine to the beach. All the years I was TBM, and to my TBM DW, the presence of bikini-wearers would not be a consideration about visiting the beach...which every TBM I ever knew has done MANY times. We even had an elders' quorum social at the beach. I think the question overestimates the prudishness of mormons. Yes, they suffer from a number of bogus taboos, but they are fluent in secular culture same as anyone else.
+1. A few of the more radical might make some comments, but they go to beches and pools where there are bikinis all the time.There may be a few fanatics who would avoid it, but I have never met any. Even her in Utah, bikinis are very common even among Mormons.
When I was a rebelious (apostatizing) teenager, I had to spend my summers with friends of my parents in UT and ID. Lots of trips to lakes and lots of swimming. One time the boys told me I couldn't swim in my usual speedos (heck, I'm European) because their mother was present! So they made my wear long oversized boardshorts.
Well ain't karma a biyatch? During one of the faster water activities behind the boat, I lost my shorts. I climbed on board, proudly strutted to the front and said "well good I brought these along!"
This brings up another issue I've been thinking about. Isn't it so hypocritical that Mormons think they need their garments to protect them/be modest, but somehow it's OK to wear a swimsuit without garments? Also, why do Mormons think kids and people who haven't been to the temple are OK without garments, but those who have been to temple need garments? Makes no sense.
I think it's a STUPIDLY trite myth that mormons think garments physically protect them or think they're in any way "magic".
Yes, there are isolated anecdotal testimonies and folklore about physical protection...but in the 18 years that I wore garments I NEVER thought of them as anything more than a covenanted obligation...a reminder of my temple obligations (OK, that's a whole 'nother discussion of their bogusness...and I DO think they're bogus...) But, common, someone's automatically a "hypocrite" fore taking off their garments to swim? Give me a fuckin' break.
With that explanation, I would think that at the beach, where you are surrounded by scantily clad babes and hunks, there would be even a GREATER need to be reminded of covenants. I'd think that any time you were "out in the world", you'd need them, but then you could strip them off as soon as you got into the "safety" of your own home.
Everyone in my mormon family believes that garments protect them from harm and evil. They say a prayer of protection before they participate in an activity which precludes garments.
amos2 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > OK, for the 100th time... > > I think it's a STUPIDLY trite myth that mormons > think garments physically protect them or think > they're in any way "magic". > > Yes, there are isolated anecdotal testimonies and > folklore about physical protection...but in the 18 > years that I wore garments I NEVER thought of them > as anything more than a covenanted obligation...a > reminder of my temple obligations (OK, that's a > whole 'nother discussion of their bogusness...and > I DO think they're bogus...) But, common, > someone's automatically a "hypocrite" fore taking > off their garments to swim? Give me a fuckin' > break.
Your own experience is an isolated anecdotal testimony as well, you know :).
When I got out of the MTC in August 2000, I had to endure a two-day interview (yes, two full days) with the second counselor in the MTC presidency. At multiple points in that discussion, he made it clear he believed that garments provide physical protection.
Then, there's Spencer W. Kimball, who said, "Though generally I think our protection is a mental, spiritual, moral one, yet I am convinced that there could be and undoubtedly have been many cases where there has been, through faith, an actual physical protection, so we must not minimize that possibility."
The Church Handbook does not take a stand either way on the question of belief in the physical protection of garments. It states simply that garments "serve as a protection against temptation and evil," which could be interpreted any way one wants.
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...but some don't want to because they're concerned about too much skin (or ashamed to show their own)..
Others are fine with it and find it exhiliarating to finally be able to shed their (long underwear) garments if they're the serious, temple-going Mormons
>>>"mental illness doesn't just run in my family, it strolls thru, getting to know each one of us up close and personal."<<<
My daughter's TBM husband makes her wear garments every day and night of their beach vacation, except when she is in her swim suit. She is a gorgeous California girl, but she wears shorts or a cover-up over her swimsuit. You can spot the Mormons on the beach, the men and women alike wear those awful, tight jean "shorts" that end right at the knee. Unisex.
Her husband MAKES her wear garments . . . ? Maybe she needs to tell him she'll wear them as SHE sees fit. My husband liked to throw his priesthood around on occasion, but he didn't tell me when to wear garments. He didn't much like it when I would forgo them for one reason or another (and believe me, I was always looking for a reason) but he didn't get a vote.
How is this even a question. Yes, Mormons can go to a public beach. Just because others are immodest doesn’t mean that a Mormons can’t see that. The world is full of Immodest people that dress with little clothes at the beach. Moromons have their agency and can choose what they do. They aren’t a programmed robot. C’mon man.
You don't get to decide what's "immodest" for other people. Non-mormons aren't required to obey your cult's silly arbitrary rules, made up to reinforce some imagined moral superiority.
You're a dime a dozen, just one more judgmental self-righteous mormon, and not nearly as "cool" as you think you are.
Of course they can, although someone who was completely sheltered in Utah and only went to Disneyland might be shocked the first time they went to a beach. Most TBM's even if they're from Utah are aware that most people outside their bubble aren't Mormon, and don't share the same standards of dress.