His father was a well known bank robber who at one time was on the FBI's most wanted list.

He only moved to Mesquite about one year ago from Florida to a retirement community.

He was well off financially, but had been spending tens of thousands of dollars at Las Vegas casinos. Possibly he was a gambling addict, but that waits to be seen.

http://fox13now.com/2017/10/02/heres-what-we-know-about-stephen-paddock-the-las-vegas-shooter/

Paddock was a multi-millionaire according to news sources. He owned multiple properties.

He had wealth. He was retired. He had a girlfriend. His own brother said he didn't know of any mental issues presuming he had them. But he knows he wasn't affiliated with terrorists let alone ISIS.

They spoke post-Irma when he texted to see how his mom was doing.

Crazy inexplicable evil.

:(

I do believe that the ISIS connection will be found to be there. His girlfriend had visited Dubai.

And his dog had peed on a hydrant, so there was a firefighter connection.

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Thanks for that, Brigid.

There's going to be much more come out. That's something I hadn't heard yet, and I've been listening to CNN and MSNBC, plus reading online the updates.

She seems to be hiding out right now overseas, in Tokyo, according to the police chief of Las Vegas. They've been in touch with her, but who knows if she's going to cooperate enough by coming back?

He sure doesn't fit the profile though does he?



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What's the profile?

Listen to the news.

It's been repeated all day long.

They've been saying the same thing repeatedly; it got depressed, so I'm listening to KING-FM (Seattle), such a great classical music station. Speculation and assumptions aside, nobody seems to have a fix on his motivation.

Perhaps you can summarize what the profile is, AmyJo? Everybody seems to be saying, "He's one of (*"them"*), whoever (*"they"*) are.

Mainly his age. If he is ISIS that would make him the oldest US recruit to date. The oldest known recruit up to know was a 55 or 56 year old woman.

Also his demographics do not fit the profile of a terror cell.

He was on no social networks popular with ISIL recruits, according to police. In fact he wasn't on any. That could be because of his age. Yet ISIS is saying he joined them several months ago, and is celebrating his attack as one of theirs.

We'll probably know more in coming days as investigators dig through the evidence, and what they spoon feed the public.



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I guess it escapes you that were radicalization a fact, those materials and lifesyle would have been found, and hungrily broadcast?

The absence of evidence is not evidence, nor is that in her many travels, this rich guy's girlfriend visited Dubai, which has spent many billions building and marketing it as a "resort" destination for the wealthy. -Using the slave labor of Islamic folk, I might add. "They" likely hate the capitalistic bent of the place. Not exactly an ISIS hotbed of cavemen roaming the streets with carbombs.

Not necessarily.

He was older, well educated and wealthy. He could have been radicalized and still stayed off the radar, unlike younger contemporaries might have.

Tens of thousands of dollars were sent to girlfriend's family in offshore accounts in the weeks leading to the massacre. Was he transferring his wealth before the feds could freeze his liquid assets in the states?

Quite possibly. If dead men could talk ...

Well, people don't gamble ten or twenty thousand dollars a day.

They lose ten or twenty thousand dollars a day.

There are no professional gamblers who play video poker.

Let's see how much money he lost since moving to Vegas before making a decision on ISIS.

He owed $270 in court fees from the lawsuit he lost in 2013 in Las Vegas for his slip and fall case in a casino in 2011 at the time of the massacre.

Someone very wealthy you'd think would pay court fees of several hundred dollars. For them that would be like chump change.

He sued for 100,000 and his case was dismissed. Maybe he was having a losing streak and tried to recoup some of his losses? His trip and fall was videotaped in the casino that he sued. Could he have felt slighted for something like that?

Hope his girlfriend can fill in some of the missing puzzle pieces for investigators. He has certainly left more questions than he has answers.

On the news tonight they were trying to keep the focus on the survivors and those who were murdered. I'm going to try to do that too. They are the ones who deserve to be remembered. Not him.

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> Tokyo, according to the police chief of Las Vegas.
> They've been in touch with her, but who knows if
> she's going to cooperate enough by coming back?

"...a woman who was described as a "person of interest" after the attack is now not believed to be involved in the shooting, police said in a statement.
"Marilou Danley is no longer being sought out as a person of interest," the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department said. "LVMPD detectives have made contact with her and do not believe she is involved with the shooting on the strip."

Oh, and she was in the Philippines (she's Filipina) when the shooting occurred, not Tokyo. She had gone home for a visit, not to "hide out."

The police chief of Las Vegas said on tonight's news she's in Tokyo. You can take it up with him if you want.

Nor is there any confirmation that Danley is filipina. In fact, Australia has said in its news reports that she is Australian.

"However, Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs spokesman Robespierre Bolivar expressed doubt on Tuesday that Ms Danley was in the Philippines.

"She was reported to have been in the Philippines at the time of the incident, but there are unconfirmed reports that she is no longer in the Philippines at this time," Mr Bolivar said, adding there was also "no official confirmation yet on her nationality, original or acquired".

On Tuesday, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said Ms Danley was in Tokyo at the time of the shooting, and that she would be interviewed upon her return....

She is believed to have become an Australian citizen while living on the Gold Coast for several years with her former husband, an Australian man."

http://www.smh.com.au/world/location-nationality-of-las-vegas-gunmans-girlfriend-marilou-danley-remain-a-mystery-20171003-gytf74.html

Also Brigid, if girlfriend is in Tokyo it's like being in NYC.

People disappear in large cities & in this case in a foreign country where she can change her identity. Get a ticket to another foreign country (Dubai?) Or just go incognito by hiding in place.

He lost a slip and fall lawsuit a couple years ago against a casino hotel on the strip. Noting drives a man more wild that losing a lawsuit.

Yeah, but he was supposedly a multi-millionaire. Unless he was having financial woes from his gambling habits. Lots of millionaires have gone bankrupt in Las Vegas before hitting skid row.

I was always a fan of the word 'supposably' and I miss it...
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Note that the media is wrong in claiming it is the worst mass shooting in our history. Mountain Meadows killed far more.

The media has been noting in most of the news reports it is in "recent" history. Most people have never heard of the MMM, except for a handful of ex-Mormons, Mormon apologists, historians, and descendants of the Fancher party.

True.

Did they also say on US soil? There have been some big drone strikes.

One thing is for certain and that's Paddock chose a "soft target" to make his killing.

It's the kind of place DHS says is on the terrorists list of places to hit.

In May ISIS threatened it was going to strike the Las Vegas Strip.

So who knows?

The investigation is just beginning. Investigators are still asking "why?"

No one seems to have any answers except for ISIS.

"No one seems to have any answers except for ISIS."

Do they have answers? Do we know yet? I await the investigation on that.

At a news briefing yesterday, the sheriff answering media questions had obviously been up all night - he looked exhausted. He even crossly told reporters to slow down (with calling out their questions) as, he said, "I can't think as fast as you". He seemed to me to be doing a pretty good job of giving out info and keeping back what he had to, even though extreme fatigue does slow down cognition and make it tougher to think clearly.

One of the reporters called out "ISIS has claimed responsibility" and the sheriff barked "Good for them" and moved on.

So yeah. They always claim chaos and tragedy but are often shown to be the liars they are.

"Quel supreeze" (as we used to say in Quebec as giddy English visitors).

They just love to claim responsibility for any kind of atrocity - but this one seems pretty far out of the ballpark, even by THEIR standards.

Seriously - a country-western concert?? Is that supposed to make some kind of a statement?

I'm guessing that one of these days, they will hit a big-name theme park, like one of the Disney venues. And if we start deciding that it is safer to visit Aunt Edna in Visalia than to visit our own major tourist attractions, that's successful terrorism in action.

ISIS threatened in May it was planning an attack on the Las Vegas Strip.

It would target a "soft spot" which this was. If it was left to the training and guesswork of an American plant, it wouldn't matter what kind of group it was as long as it resulted in death and destruction.

I'm not saying that Paddock was an agent of ISIS. I don't trust the FBI to be telling the whole story this early in its investigation. Whether he is or not.

"The idea that the Islamic State simply scans the news in search of mass killings, then sends out press releases in hope of stealing glory, is false. Amaq may learn details of the attacks from mainstream media—and often gets those details wrong, also like mainstream media—but its claim of credit typically flows from an Amaq-specific source."

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/isis-amaq-las-vegas/541746/

I guess what I'm saying is that I try to wait for complete info before believing any of the many possibilities that get thrown around.

I wouldn't expect the FBI or other enforcement agencies to give out conclusions or much info at an early stage while their investigation is new and ongoing. That is entirely understandable. I think they are doing great as it is (all agencies and spokespeople with being as informative as they can be only two days out).

Obviously it's inevitable that we will want to discuss and speculate but avoiding stating unfounded conclusions would help.

Summer makes a great point (below) about some psychopathy perhaps being in the genes as the father was a criminal. I heard a profiler who said the shooter is a psychopath, no question. I guess to many that would seem obvious but still we don't yet have complete info and the sheriff I listened to this a.m. indicated there is a lot they know that they are not making public yet (as in many incidents of this kind, as we've seen all too many times before).

I actually went to Las Vegas for the first and only time with a former missionary on his way home from his mission. I was travelling to Utah and he wanted to hitch a ride to his home down there so we hit a few places and even went to Arizona as well. I would never have gone to Vegas on my own, for sure. I cannot remember the name of the hotel we stayed in or even what street it was on.

Four Canadians were killed in the attack, one from a town not far from me (Metro Vancouver area). All young, out enjoying themselves.

So very sad.

It's hard to comprehend the vast gulf between the value we place on a single life and the utter disregard some very disturbed people have for life, even their own.

I wish this killer had not shot himself. I would like him to have had to face the officers who entered his hotel room, the families of his innocent victims, the justice system and his punishment. It's not enough that he's dead.

The cops would've shot him if he hadn't first.

He knew that it would be either death by his bullet or by theirs after the carnage he caused. His death warrant was signed when he went on his killing spree.

They didn't know what was behind that door. They would've shot first (the SWAT team,) and asked questions later. That was the job they were tasked with to save lives.

Oh. Yeah. Good point. Likely the police would have had to shoot him. I had been thinking more that he would have been arrested but not, I guess, if he had been standing there in the room with automatic weapons to hand and safety of the officers was paramount.

There was a recent attack in Western Canada (Edmonton, Alberta) that was immediately attributed to terrorism and that suspect/assailant was arrested. I do not know how he didn't get shot as he was attacking a police officer with a knife, after he had run the officer over.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3779052/edmonton-terror-attack-vehicular-attack-2017/

Alive is beneficial in that there may be some answers forthcoming.

He had cameras set up outside the room so he could see the cops coming. Then he shot through the doors. They had to blast the door open and when they did, he'd already shot himself.

Who knows if he hit a losing streak and was in hock for huge gambling debts?

Suicide after taking vengeance sounds plausible, no?

How did she leave the country without her ID???

He checked in the hotel with her ID and her car??????

If she had an extra ID this makes her an accomplice. AND she HAD to know of his arsenal of weapons he was amassing!!! She got the hell out of dodge b4 it all hit the fan.

Come on people, smell the coffee!!!

I'm just happy to smell the peppermint.

I have both a passport and a drivers license. She surely did too. You only need your passport to leave the country.

All she'd need was her passport to leave the country legally. Her US ID could've easily been left behind.

Her citizenship is Australian. That's where her mother lives.

She was in Tokyo at time of the shootings. Tokyo is a city of mass transit, no need for a driver's license there.

He sent over $100,000 in cash through the Philippines to either her or some other laundry machine. It's unknown if it was to her at this time. There were 16 transactions of $10,000 apiece to the Philippines in the last several weeks.

$10,000 is the limit that gets reported to the feds for banking transactions. He could have made many more than that that went unreported if they'd been below $10 grand.

Well, the FBI termed his bank-robber father "psychopathic." Like father, like son? The one thing that seems certain at present is that this took a heck of a lot of planning -- probably in terms of many months.

He had to have a black hole in place of a conscience to do what he did.

As dangerous as the FBI once classified his father, he wasn't a mass murderer or cold hearted killer.

The police do not believe his girlfriend was involved.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mesquite-nevada-police-describe-alleged-shooters-home