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Posted by: Anonymous 2 ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 03:32PM


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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 03:47PM

That is a true statement.
There is no uncertainty when it comes to the line of succession

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 04:52PM

Yup

No uncertainty, just ask the Church of Christ, Strangites or temple lot folks.

No jockeying for position. Just ask Amasa Lyman, Orson Pratt, Orson Hyde and Brigham Young Jr. All demoted in seniority in the 12.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 07:24PM

Yep, it should have had a qualifier:

"...no drama in the past 100 or so years. Before that, much drama!"

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Posted by: canuck guy ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 08:06PM

I am not sure that even you can say that about the last 100 years. When David O McKay died in January 1970, there seemed to be some debate among the apostles about whether Joseph Fielding Smith should become the new church president given how old he was (his early 90s). It would seem that Harold B Lee, who was next in seniority after Smith and at least 20 years younger, advocated for the practice that had been followed up to that point of the president of the Twelve becoming president, and that view won the day. You can find discussion of this in Goates' biography of Harold B Lee. I think it may also be discussed in Gibbons' biography of Joseph Fielding Smith. The accounts are not 100% forthright about the apparent controversy, but given how far they do go in talking about it, I think it is probably safe to conclude there was a real disagreement about what should be done.

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Posted by: hgc2 ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 08:22PM

I seem to recall when Hugh B Brown was a counselor in the presidency he proposed creating an emeritus status for apostles past a certain age. He would have qualified for emeritus at the time. I guess he never sold his idea to the other brethren.

I also heard an apostle (who?) answer a succession question that the man next in line may not succeed to the presidency if he didn't want it. (Likely never to happen).

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: January 05, 2018 03:29AM

Lorenzo Snow wrote that he wanted to be passed over due to his age. The 12 convinced him to accept the presidency.

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Posted by: Honest TBM ( )
Date: January 05, 2018 09:58AM

Thanks to the marvelous Church programs that keep me busy from early morning to late night seven days a week, especially on the Day of Rest, I have no spare time whatsoever to think about all this Succession stuff.

By the way I probably won't be responding to any responses here this morning because I'm watching an awesome fireside talk on BYU tv. One of the Brethren is speaking about the importance of Obedience to the leaders. Wow that is such an amazingly awesome topic :)

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Posted by: Honest TBM ( )
Date: January 05, 2018 10:00AM

I did a search for talks on "Honesty about Church History" but couldn't seem to find any as it appears that the Spirit has inspired the search engine instead to point me to a talk about Obedience to the Brethren. So I guess that these will be the types of talks I'll be watching for the rest of my life to help me be better correlated to be what the Church would call open-minded.

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