Using individuals, families, lies...

I could have told you that.

M@t

Finally! They report that the church claims a zero tolerance policy- then they follow it with *BUT...*

Great job making the Temple look creepy in the two-pane photo with Porter.

Rolling stone, rolling...

Human

My father hit everyone in the house, paid tithing and was given a temple recommend. Mormonism is for men, especially narcissistic abusers.

pure EVIL.

LDS leaders: where's the outrage?

My friends grandfather broke her sons arm and no one did a

goddamn thing about it and especially not the church. God I

hate that church.

Maybe we could start a list of all those children who have been beaten by their Priesthood holding fathers.

If we did I'm sure it would be astounding.

They are such hypoctites ... they claim to be all about

love at home, and in reality its hate and opression and

control and physical abuse.

I would like to add that domestic violence is not just a male problem. There are women who routinely knock their husbands and children around. And I've seen two instances in which wives used "damsel in distress" manipulation to get bishops to take their sides in major marital disputes. It may work the other way around most of the time, but there are exceptions.

The underlying reality is that giving untrained men such immense pastoral authority is the equivalent of laying down landmines that can explode unpredictably. It is good that all of this is finally seeing the light of day.

When my ex went to prison for molesting my daughter the bishop had visited him a few times but did not mention it to me until after he had been released from his calling.

I felt betrayed and "less than" because while he was still bishop he rarely spoke to me, never asked how my children and I were doing and if he did have something to say he relayed it through the RS Pres. I was still very TBM then but felt so insignificant and confused that he would drive for hours to visit and support a criminal who had hurt my daughter but could not care less about what she was going through and how we were struggling.

I asked him if the ex would be excommunicated; his response was that the ex told him he didn't do it so there wasn't anything he could do because he had not confessed. I said that he gave a confession to the Dist. Atty's office plus he admitted to everything on a recording and I had a transcript. Didn't matter...he insisted the ex needed support because prison is a difficult place and his mommy could not make the trip to visit him very often.

It was shortly after that I saw that the men in TSCC stuck together no matter what and whatever sins were committed or illegal/immoral thing a man did and was convicted for, were of no consequence and the offender was still a "good man" in their eyes.

A side note to the sick mindset some LDS men have - the ex contacted once after his release from prison to ask me something that "had been bothering" him. He said the DA told him that I was very agreeable for the DA to prosecute and imprison him. I said that I not only agreed to it but I was actively cooperating with the DA and doing all I could to make that happen.

He asked me "Why?" I hung up on his a$$.

Wow.

All the "discernment" that "priesthood holders" "have"..

Fail fail fail fail fail fail.

Com'on LDS Inc., It's BROKEN. FIX IT.

I'm surprised by that. The usual standard is that any conviction for a serious felony results in excommunication without any church appeal.

I guess maybe the church didnt/doesn't consider sexual molestation of children a serious felony. Or else the church thought it would not become a public embarrassment?

I'm so sorry you and your daughter went through that.

Years later I found out no one knew he went to prison, people thought we divorced and he moved away. The bishop didn't tell anyone what happened.

I ran into a woman from the ward 5 years ago and while we were chatting she asked me where the ex was and if he was close to the children. Before I said something snarky to her I had the thought that she didn't know what happened.

I wasn't very specific but told her he committed a felony and went to prison for 4 years. She was gob-smacked...had no idea and said that no one in the ward knew because if they had known that bit of gossip would have spread quickly and her husband who was 1st counselor at the time would have told her about it because he told her of all the dirt on everyone.

So, I figure the bishop never said what happened or he lied and made it sound that we just divorced.

By insinuating that you were divorced, the bishop not only saved your ex-husband from embarrassment but also cast a shadow over your reputation.

Failing to indicate even vaguely where responsibility lay is itself abusive.

My wife has a friend whose daughters were sexually molested by her former father in law. When she reported the abuse to the church leaders, they told her to think about the damage the allegations would cause to his reputation and that she needed to respect his priesthood. When she went to law enforcement with the allegations, she was disfellowshipped. Not entirely sure of what happened from a legal standpoint, the grandfather was not prosecuted but my wife's friend has successfully prevented him from having any contact with the girls. My wife's friend left the church, but the grandfather is currently a temple worker.



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While the abuse should certainly not happen, I have limits on my sympathy for these women.

They willingly turned their lives over to the cult. They would likely report their husbands to the bishop for looking at porn, or whatever.

If they are getting punched in the face, why do you need the help of a bishop? Why do you not immediately leave and call the police?

If the bishop tells you to go back home and get punched again, why would you do that? Is it the money or what? Are you being paid to get punched? Is money and status worth being abused? Apparently some think so, like the Hollywood stars who were "afraid" to report abuse because they "feared" they would lose million dollar movie deals.

If you allow evil people to do evil things to you because you want the benefits, I don't feel sorry for you.

Also, it is interesting that in general, people think domestic violence is pretty much all done by men. I keep wondering why half the reports in the news aren't of women beating their men. Because several studies show that women commit at least as much physical abuse, and more emotional abuse and manipulation.

Hard for me to believe that similar things aren't happening in the church.

Here is a study by the Centers for Disease Control that showed, "More Men than Women Victims of Intimate Partner Physical Violence" and "Men were also more often the victim of psychological aggression and control over sexual or reproductive health".

http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/

tscc is too far down the path they started on Many years ago:

-meetings & policies not subject to discussion/, let alone rank-and-file participation


-no transparency, including financial

-dependence on (claimed) discernment / discretion which a monkey could make as good (possibly Better!) decisions.


Sick, but the symptoms are ignored

Gotta train these future plural wives well - eternity is forever, and that's a long, long, time...