My all-time favorites are Karl Malone and John Stockton.

Not really, no.

I don't live in Utah, and I'm not really into basketball. :)

When I think of Memphis, I think of R&B. When I think of Detroit, I think of soul music. When I think of Nashville, I think of country music. And you can’t think of Utah without thinking of Jazz.

...I'll bet when the marketing directors over at the basketball franchise were having their "aha!!" moment, some jackass floated the notion that "Utah is a HUGE jazz mega-city, and that if we can just piggyback on that with our sports team name, we'll hit the big time!"

No, the Village Vanguard is in NYC. Slugs was in NYC. Village Gate NYC. Keystone Korner in SF. Lighthouse in Hermosa Beach...yada yada.

I never saw Archie Shepp, Joe Henderson, McCoy Tyner, etc. in SLC. Maybe they tried it out, but they quickly read the tea leaves. Mormons view jazz as evil; satanic.

Utah jazz is non-existant. Maybe a few coked-up college kids, but that's it.

I think the franchise was originally the New Orleans Jazz. It was purchased and moved to Utah without changing the name.

...could be. I know dick about BB. But it still seems logical to think the JO's running the shop and keeping the name "Jazz" thought it would be a good idea. No one in their right mind equates Utah with the jazz culture...not even the perv Warren Jeffs would do that.

No one in their right mind equates Los Angeles with lakes either. Yet, you have the Lakers...the team name that followed them from Minneapolis to L.A. like the Jazz name followed them from New Orleans to Utah.

...hey, you guys are right. I don't know the in's and out of the sports marketing industry. But somebody makes a determination, I would think...right? Utah=Jazz? OK, team history/legacy is the ultimate determinate? Yeah?....OK...no dog in the fight here.

Changing the name creates another set of problems making it look like an expansion team. Expansion teams are usually initially looked down on while they build a team and a reputation. On the other hand, some teams think totaling changing their ID is the way to go because the move is generating a lot of negativity. Remember the Baltimore Browns?

In the end, its a marketing call about like any other marketing call.

Anybody who knew anything knew that the Jazz were a team of some standing that came from New Orleans and people have be grousing about it ever since.

Now if you really want to chew on something, the owner who sold out, Sam Battistone, made his money to by the team in the first place off of a chain restaurant named "Sambos."

And go Brooklyn Dodgers.

...God, those were the best pancakes. Where are they when we need em'? Rather have a stack than go to a Jazz game anyway.....

There's ONE Sambo's left, in Santa Barbara.

Still have great pancakes.

..."let's GO!!!...Yeah!!!

It was during the brief time I lived in Utah that the Jazz moved from New Orleans to Utah. It seemed that nobody wanted to keep the name Jazz, but for some reason it stuck.

I’m not old enough to remember the Lakers move to LA. I have no idea if a name change was considered.

Yeah...always thought it was beyond stupid to keep the "Jazz" nickname for the team after it left the Big Easy....apparently no creative minds in that ownership group when they bought the team. At the time I thought "GULLS" would have been more appropriate....or as we call them up here..."SHIT HAWKS"....LOL

I used to care about pro basketball but my enthusiasm for most pro sports has waned over the years....can't stand to watch a full game of anything anymore. Was a fan of Steve Nash though. He was fun to watch.

I'm not much into the Jazz, It's a waste of money. On a financial basis I don't think anyone is worth the salary these creatures make. It's a waste of a human life to spend all your energy throwing a ball through a hoop.

Now why on earth Kimball told Larry H Miller to go out and buy the team, I just don't know? I guess it's suppose to be some kind of missionary tool for gentiles? Or somehow to confirm the faith of members in Zion in these the Latter Days.

See how great Utah is we Have our own Mormon basketball team in the NBA. Mormons basketball is so cool!

“Creatures”? Wow-that’s a needlessly pejorative term that reflects more negatively on you than on any NBA player.

I’m not a basketball fan, but the huge salaries are a direct result of supply and demand. The demand for people who can play at that level far exceeds the supply. Plus, the amount of revenue they generate far exceeds their salaries.

Don't judge too hastily. I'd bet some of his best friends are creatures.

I'm guessing Miller made a fortune on the Jazz. Crowds were small when he took over. He marketed the team the filled the stands.

John Stockton? I remember when the crowd groaned at his bonehead turnovers his first year. Nobody imagined he'd be a legend of sorts. Karl, on the other hand, was running people over from day 1. I was partial to Thurl - I made him lunch many times at cottonwood mall.

Larry was Mormon but I have never realy thought of the Jazz as a "Mormon team" As far as Larry miller buying the Jazz it was a great investment . An NBA franchise is worth in the case of the Jazz probably worth about 800 million dollars . The LA Clipers were purchased for almost 2 billion . LHM has made loads of money building the arena and renting for concerts ice shows etc over the years . if the Jazz were some Mormon team it is odd I can't think of too many if any players or coaches they have had who are Mormon

Not a Jazz fan. Been a Lakers fan since I was a kid in the 1960's. I'm feeling pretty good about the upcoming season.

Feeling good about a 37 win season ?

LOL!!! Do you think they are only going to win 37 games this coming season?? The Las Vegas betting experts don't think so. Please let me know if you can find a casino offering a 37 win over/under line on the Lakers. I'd bet the farm on the over.

Just joking about 37. more realistic would be 55 ,they come in 8th place . play the Warriors get demolished

I like the Jazz What I really did not like was seeing Gail Miler sign on to the anti medical marijauna crew statement from the church formerly known as Mormon. Considering boycotting all LHM business

I've mentioned this here before but I boycott the LHM group just from his comments he made around that time. My exwife used to tell me that this sounded very petty on my part but that's life.

Here is Salt Lake County, when Jordan School District was getting ready to build a new Jordan High School to replace the old one at about 9400 So.in Sandy, they put the old school up for sale. (early 90's). It was years past it's time and couldn't be repaired or fixed.

Larry Miller bought the school and said that he was buying to tear it down, since when he was in high school and played for West High, they were always lost to Jordan High (that would have been in the late 50's) and he was tearing down the school just to get even with them. I think he meant some humor in it but there were lots of people who didn't like it. And he did have a facade built that looks a lot like the old school and faces the same position as it did before.

I will say that when they built the Jordan Commons where the theaters are and some restaurants and an office building, he offered individual bricks for sale as a fundraiser. I bought one at $20 I think. I had it in the garage at home and somehow it fell off the the shelf and broke in about 5 pieces.

Joseph Fielding Smith, Church History and Modern Revelation (1946), Vol. 1, p. 119:

"Since singing is pleasing to the Lord and a prayer unto him when it is 'sacred' and a song of the heart, Latter-day Saints should endeavor always to sing in harmony with the Spirit and with understanding. Frequently the spirit of a meeting is hampered by improper music and singing. Jazz, under no condition can be called sacred. Light frivolous songs are always out of place in the sacred services of the Church. Recently in a Sabbath meeting a quartet sang: 'Some Folks Say That a N****r Won't Steal,' a pleasing melody, but entirely out of place in a meeting of worship. Our songs should be always in keeping with the Gospel truth. False doctrine is discovered frequently in sectarian hymns…"

[In case you were wondering, the n-word was printed out in full in the original. <facepalm> Way to go, JFS!]


Hyrum M. Smith and Janne N. Sjodahl, Doctrine and Covenants Commentary (revised ed. 1954), Sec. 25, pp. 129-30:

"12. The song of the heart] God delights in the song of the heart; not in the mere sounds of the lips. Singing from the heart is worship; wherefore Paul says, 'I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also' (I. Cor. 14:15). In such singing God takes delight. No music is as sweet as religious compositions; none is so majestic, so inspiring. Martial music stirs up the animal in man. So-called 'ragtime' breeds frivolity, and appeals to the vulgar. Set to sacred text, it may produce a sensation of distressing incongruity. 'Jazz' is an abomination, an evidence of recrudescence of savagery."

[From Wiki: "Smith was ordained an apostle of the church on October 24, 1901, at the age of 29, by his father, who was president of the church." Nepotism RULES! Little Hyrum died in 1918, appx 10 months before Dad. Also per Wiki, Smith was the father of the gay patriarch Joseph Fielding Smith. LOL.]

And Bruce McConkie said that Bach was too secular and should not be played in an LDS meeting.

Jazz and Bach: imagine the world without them. . .

They are my home boys.

I don't like jazz

My Raptors listen to HipHop

Hinckley wanted an NBA team in Salt Lake city Utah, Hinckley figured that it was a great way to counter the notion that MORmONS / Utah hate black people.


The Miller group supposedly "owns" THE Jazz, but the Miller group is not allowed to let the Jazz leave Utah, just as Miller group formally (for some strange reason !!!!) turned that control over to a board of directors with the specific intention of insuring/guaranteeing that THE Jazz remains in Utah (just THE way that THE (MORmON) church (real Jazz owners) intend. .....Just waiting for someone to insist that is not what is really going on ....

Yes!! Especially when the trumpet does an ad lib solo