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Posted by: Ratdog ( )
Date: October 17, 2018 04:01PM


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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 17, 2018 04:03PM

This sentence no verb.

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Posted by: Ratdog ( )
Date: October 17, 2018 04:04PM

Read from a thread that the church was to lose tax exempt status which caused the change in 1978. Would like to hear more insight regarding that

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 17, 2018 04:10PM

Ah, thank you.

The church was in danger of losing its sports contacts due to the treatment of black athletes, and there were rumors of changes in the tax status. I'm not sure how far that would have gone given that other religions would have resisted the imposition of belief standards on First Amendment grounds.

But on a number of fronts the church knew it was in trouble. A majority of the Q15 had wanted to end the ban many years before and were only precluded from doing so by the requirement for unanimity. It is interesting to see the church going through the same process now with non-standard sexualities.

I join you in hoping for further light and knowledge!

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Posted by: Ratdog ( )
Date: October 17, 2018 04:10PM

My apologizes for not being more clear

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 17, 2018 04:10PM

My apologies for being obtuse!

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: October 17, 2018 05:11PM


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Posted by: Ratdog ( )
Date: October 17, 2018 04:19PM

Lots wife...
Muchos thankyou.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: October 17, 2018 04:32PM

Here's the Wikipedia overview:

"From 1849 to 1978, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) prohibited anyone with black ancestry from being ordained to the priesthood. In 1978, the church's First Presidency declared in a statement known as "Official Declaration 2" that the ban had been lifted. Before 1849, a few black men had been ordained to the priesthood under Joseph Smith.

"As part of this ban, both black men and women at various times were prohibited from taking part in ceremonies in LDS temples, serving in certain church callings, attending priesthood meetings, speaking at firesides, or receiving a lineage in their patriarchal blessing. Spouses of black people were also prohibited from entering the temple. Over time, the ban was relaxed so that black people could attend priesthood meetings and people with a "questionable lineage" were given the priesthood, such as Fijians, Indigenous Australians, Egyptians, as well as Brazilians and South Africans with an unknown heritage who did not appear to have any black heritage.

"During this time, the church taught that the ban came from God and officially gave several race-based explanations for the ban, including a curse on Cain and his descendants, Ham's marriage to Egyptus, a curse on the descendants of Canaan, and that black people were less valiant in their pre-mortal life. They used LDS scriptures to justify their explanations, including the Book of Abraham which teaches that the descendants of Canaan were black and Pharaoh could not have the priesthood because he was a descendant of Canaan. In 1978, it was taught that the ban was lifted as a result of a revelation in which everyone present heard the voice of the Lord, and that the curse was lifted. The 1978 declaration was incorporated into Mormon scripture.

"In December 2013, the LDS Church published an essay approved by the First Presidency that disavowed most race-based explanations for the past priesthood restriction and denounced racism. However, the Book of Abraham and the Official Declaration are still considered scripture, leaving many members confused how to reconcile the 2013 statement with the racist teachings in the scriptures."
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_Mormon_priesthood


Apparently the probable tug-of-war between exmos and TBMs is being won by the exmos, because of how accurate (from my exmo perspective) the above is.

Of course TBMs are not at all bothered by the supposed confusion that exists when comparing all the former declarations regarding why the Ban was in existence and the 2013 church statement that there never was a ban based on race. And of course, the appropriate mormon scriptures regarding the need for the ban have not been repudiated. It's there in mormon scripture, in ghawd knows how many languages now, just why the curse was issued, why there were so many spirit kids who fell under the curse and how it progressed through the ages.

Once again, the elders of zion ask, "who you gonna believe? Us, or your lying eyes!?" And the mormon sheeple bleat back, "We believe what you tell us! Thank you!!"

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 17, 2018 04:38PM

Well, there's one error that I can see in the Wiki report. The nonsense about the "voice of the lord" was spread by McConkie, and then Kimball made him give a speech retracting that story.

Now the TBMs are repeating that false story, straining the limits of the English to avoid lying outright. Rather than saying that the Q15 heard the voice of God, the Wiki authors say "in 1978, it was taught that . . . everyone present heard the voice of the Lord."

Slimy, typical.

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Posted by: GNPE1 ( )
Date: October 17, 2018 05:17PM

The notion that Carter (or any individual) could change that ... Strains Credibility at best, I'd say 100% FALSE.

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