https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/01/21/notorious-mormon-gay-conversion-therapist-now-says-he-just-wants-to-date-men/

“My time in a straight marriage and in the “ex-gay” world was genuine and sincere and a rich blessing to me. I remember most of it with fondness and gratitude for the joy and growth it caused in me and many others. But I had stopped growing and was starting to die. So I’ve embarked on a new life-giving path that has already started a whole new growth process. I wasn’t faking it all those years. I’m not renouncing my past work or my LDS faith. And I’m not condemning mixed-orientation marriages. I continue to support the rights of individuals to choose how they will respond to their sexual attractions and identity. With that freedom, I am now choosing to pursue life as a gay man.”

“My time in a straight marriage and in the 'ex-gay' world [insert a load of bullshit here] I am now choosing to pursue life as a gay man.”

“My time in a straight marriage and in the “ex-gay” world was genuine and sincere and a rich blessing to me. I remember most of it with fondness and gratitude for the joy and growth it caused in me and many others."

He will leave the lds church as he will continue to die trying to be gay in the lds church.

BUT he has no clue what damage he has done to the woman he married or to the kids. If he is gay, he should have had kids in another fashion with a partner. Adoption or have a woman carry their child.

I'm re-living the hell of the trauma of my marriage right now through PTSD. I'm on the end of it now and not living in fear. Still hiding out in my bedroom when home so I don't have to see him. We get along good most of the time until he is mean to me and then it all comes back. He didn't have to be so abusive to me after he left, but he was blasting out of the closet. I was the enemy.

So good for him. He got to use and abuse a woman. She had to become an "it" to survive. Make her feel undesirable.

May I say THANK YOU to all the gays who CHOSE not to marry a straight person. You have no idea what a gift that is.



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I hear you, cl2. This is a trauma that will never leave us. Though our marriage ended over 25 years ago and he's been deceased going on 5 years, the damage that was done has lasting impact.

Your words should be handed out in every YW class. And then reprinted in bold letters and handed out to the boys too.

The damn Mormon leaders either don't know about the permanent damage they do or don't care. My money is on the latter.

Makes me sick what they did to you and so many. None of what they did to any of us goes away.

You have truly lived a life of integrity. Thank you for that.

It is people like you who allowed me to see my ex for who he is again and all he had been through being a gay mormon, which helped me heal.

BUT, like you said, it is always there. We can go along for months, years, days, whatever, and then it blindsides us.

Done & Done Wrote:
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> either don't know about the permanent damage they do or don't care. My money is on the latter.

Agreed. All that matters is appearances. Not pain hidden underneath.

cl2,

Thank you for telling your story. How clueless they are, only thinking about themselves, other people are just to be used and discarded. Self-important nincompoop.

Hope you continue to recover, cl2.

Cl2, I am sorry for what you went through. It is not just gay and transgendered people that suffer because of the church's bullshit beliefs, it is people like you.

I am a gay man and was never married, but I know I caused girls I dated pain with emotional roller coaster rides as I was coming to terms with my sexual orientation. All because of a stupid religion trying to push me to be something I was not capable of. I seriously hate that damn church.

And by the way, I don't care what your ex went through, he has NO excuse to be mean to you.



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From the article:

"The more vocally anti-gay you are, the greater the odds you harbor same-sex desires."


That's what I've always assumed, too. Pretty sure Boyd Packer was holed up in the closet as he condemned everyone else for the things he wanted to do (or maybe actually did...).

Same with Oaks always harping on pornography. Maybe someone is "addicted" to porn and projecting his issues onto others any chance he gets.

The religious hypocrisy gets really really old!

The more vocally anti-gay you are.

How many times have I seen this happen?

Spencer W. Kimball must also have been gay.

BUT the HATE-FILLED letter that Boyd send to me when I asked him about marrying someone gay, was there any hope, etc. He never answered any of my questions, he just spewed hate at me.

You know what shocks me the most is that in talking to 2 women in this ward who I really like and always have, they have such narrow-minded views about gays. I'm shocked there are still people who think they CHOSE to be gay. My daughter's fiance's uncle is gay and one of these women has met him several times. She said, "I don't know if he is still ..." and I said, "I'm sure he is still gay. He was born that way."

My dad, who was a bigot in many ways, told me my ex was BORN THAT WAY, but of course they told me not to talk to my parents about marrying someone gay.

Packer was a jackass! I'm sorry he responded to you with hate, but it's also not surprising.

I've always wondered about Kimball's sexual orientation, as well.

It's really a shame that leaders who claim to speak for an all-loving god haven't learned or embraced the concept of unconditional love themselves. Religious hypocrisy at its finest!

Gays must be good leaders to be over-represented in the Q15. Maybe because it’s an emotion-based religion. No one is exempt from the church’s massive mind screw.

I have no sympathy for this man whatsoever. He was making excellent money selling his wares. According to one article I read, he was making $240 for a ninety minute session wherein he could convince his "patients" that they were not whole and he could fix them. I guess being Mormon he has that particular act down pat.

It is one thing for straight people to not understand being gay but for a gay man, especially at his age, to do what he was doing is beyond the pale. Judas Goat for sale. And he never came clean, he just got found out from what I can find. Still claiming what he was doing was the right thing for some people.

He thought he was doing the right thing because he was Mormon. The leaders make much ado about nothing. That’s Mormonism’s cash cow. So now the guy woke up and smelled the coffee. I had a good laugh.

Done & Done and Atari did the right thing.

At least my ex told me he is gay before I married him. For a while, I told him I wished he hadn't, but then when I met others like gemini who didn't know before they married, I was glad he told me. At least I wasn't always trying to figure out what was going on. That is a hell I didn't have to endure.

I've gotten through my PTSD triggers again and I'm okay.

This has been a tough road for all of us.

I loved the movie "Bohemian Rhapsody." It spoke to my SOUL. Hate to put it that way. My son felt the same way. I didn't know how my daughter would take it being a TBM. Well, she's had my CD for weeks now and hasn't even taken the time to put it on her phone as she just keeps it in her car listening. She told me, "Being gay is a lot more complex than people really get." WOW! I was impressed that she got it even being TBM.

I'd suggest the movie to anyone who hasn't seen it yet. I can't wait to purchase it.

Done & Done and Atari and others I've met on this board and in my own life did the right thing by not getting married to a straight spouse.

As an ex Mormon, and as a formerly closeted gay man, I read about David with great interest.

After the mockery, and after the derision, perhaps there is now some hope for him and those he led astray, to lead honest lives.

He could pursue life and gaiety all at once and is pretty foolish to think that "freedom" comes before - or after - love or happiness, though he never mentions them. He also doesn't MENtion his "choice" to leave women, or straight - and narrow - men, alone.

M@t