Been listening to baptist preaching for some weeks now and read related texts about salvation and repentance. Religion and works are discarded, salvation is found in faith alone. As soon as you try to work for your salvation it is all cancelled and you are going to hell! Does that imply that contributing to the state och the community outside the church increase the risk of going to hell? If I was a baptist and wanted to do nice things I am doing wrong?

I wonder, how do baptists discriminate between what is risk-free to do?

At the same time they say If you recieved Jesus once you will never lose your salvation.

Good thing Mormons, and by extension exmos, don't have to worry about the ol' Grace v. Works equation, or whatever you chose to call it.

Mormons absolutely knew we were saved by our works, which included repentance. As an exmo who went the way of disbelief in any God interested in humanity, the issue became moot.

Good luck in your journey!

I personally think that salvation by grace is as crazy as anything in Mormonism.

I personally think that salvation, as a serious concept of reality, is [crazy].

(No, not exactly "crazy," I'm just repeating the word used in this thread, but more accurately: irrational/unrealistic.)

I deeply do not understand religions based on "belief," or "grace," because I consider human "belief"/divine "grace" irrelevant to what actual reality either IS, or may (via scientific discoveries yet to be discovered) turn out to be.

P.S. In both Judaism and in Hinduism (the two primary religious influences in my life), "works" of some kind or another is the whole enchilada. Everything else would be considered a kind of non-essential "frill."



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I agree.

“Salvation” couldn’t possibly come from a just and fair god. Having one’s eternal destiny decided by accepting (or failing to accept) a “gift” is unfair and immoral to a degree that humans could never even begin to understand.

The same thing applies to having one’s eternal destiny determined by sins, repentance, and ordinances. Infinite reward or punishment for finite action is unjust, immoral, and just plain wrong.

in b 4 ~ Genesis 15:6 ~


in b 4 ~ Romans 4:3-5 ~

salvation is by faith alone OPie ~


they are right in saying that once OPie receives it, OPie can never lose it ~


any good works OPie does is a fruit of that salvation ~


good works will not save OPie ~


only faith ~


read your Bible OPie ~


hope that helps OPie ~

In Catholicism, you are saved by grace. Good works are regarded as the proper course of action for those who are saved.

That is what Baptists believe also. They believe that grace through faith saves a person but that works are the demonstration of that saving grace not the means to earn it.

The idea is that a person who doesn't behave appropriately isn't really saved.Only God knows.No one is perfect, but someone who is saved is at least trying and on the right path. Not everyone who claims to be saved really is.That is the way it was explained to a Protestant who addressed a comparative religion class My main problem with the emphasis on faith and accepting Jesus is that a makes many people think they have it made and they become arrogant..

Love the book " The Gospel of Inclusion "

I've known many Baptists who, judging by the way they live, seem to view grace pretty much the same way Mormons view having one's calling and election made sure. "Woo! I'm saved! Now I can do whatever I want as long as I keep believing in Jesus." Baptist doctrine says otherwise, but it doesn't keep some of them from praising Jesus while being horrible people.

There is no such thing as sin.
https://unexaminedfaith.blogspot.com/2018/08/zeuss-thunderbolt-euthyphros-dilemma.html?m=1

There fall of Adam is not a literal thing.

Ipso facto there is nothing to be “saved” from.