I had back pain, sciatica and pain around the pelvic area for several years and I just dealt with it.

I asked my home teachers for help, and they poured the oil on my head and gave me a blessing. I did this again, and again. No change.

Years later, after I left the church I discovered the healing power of chiropractic. My chiropractor explained the processes and the benefits of getting adjustments. After several sessions of manipulation, I soon found the power of movement where I previously had none. Even after my first adjustment, I felt taller, bright eyed and bushy tailed for the first time in MONTHS!

Sometimes for recovery you need more than a blessing, you need real medical intervention.

Correct. My wife went to a few of the latter until she found the one I use now. She can work some miracles given enough time and me not doing anything stupid to undo her work.

I found yoga did wonders for me and my knees.

You just like the yoga sex positions.

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/sex-and-love/a19935054/most-sexual-yoga-poses/

I should take up Yoga.

It is all about positioning.

I’ve had AMAZING relief from sciatica with Thai Massage. And I didn’t go for that reason. Just started noticing how much it had eased up. One session makes me feel like a new person. But I probably have the best Thai Massage specialist in the country IMHO. Too bad God and his Priestcrafthood and the magic olive oil can’t achieve those results.

Chiropractic is relatively young, getting started around 1900. It has a colorful history, being started by one D D Palmer, who added it as a branch therapy under his "magnetic healing" practice. He also dabbled in phrenology and spiritism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chiropractic

From the article:
"Before his sudden and controversial death in 1913, D.D. Palmer often voiced concern for B.J. Palmer's management of chiropractic. He challenged B.J.'s methods and philosophy and made every effort to regain control of chiropractic. He repudiated his earlier theory that vertebral subluxations caused pinched nerves in the intervertebral spaces in favor of subluxations causing altered nerve vibration, either too tense or too slack, affecting the tone(health) of the end organ and noted, "A subluxated vertebra . . . is the cause of 95 percent of all diseases. . . . The other five percent is caused by displaced joints other than those of the vertebral column."[1][30]"

BTW, the sudden and controversial death of D D was caused by being hit by a car, reportedly driven by his son and chief rival, B J Palmer. That the son was driving was disputed, no doubt by the son, as well as others, but DD apparently claimed his son was driving, before DD expired from his injuries.

"Chiropractic is classified as a field of pseudomedicine on account of its esoteric origins.[54] Serious research to test chiropractic theories did not begin until the 1970s, and is continuing to be hampered by antiscientific and pseudoscientific ideas that sustained the profession in its long battle with organized medicine.[6]"


IMHO, chiropractic works sometimes because a massage works sometimes. The subluxation theory on which chiro is based is nonsense.

See also:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/chiropractic-a-brief-overview-part-i/

You would make a fine Bodily Injury Telephone Claims Handler, which was my first job in the industry, as an intern during an attempt at grad school. The acronym is BITCH...

Insurance companies hate chiropractic. Especially the "mills".

A chiro mill is probably 180 degrees from what those here who take solace in the chiropractic arts experience when they go see their bone cracker.

At a chiro mill, the most important thing you do there is to sign the daily sheet, and date it. It's too tempting to tell a client to come in once a week, but claim he came in all five days.

After you sign in, you go to one of the therapies, each one billed at $80 to $150:

Hot towels or hot packs (yeah, a minimum wage young lady drapes warmish towels or hot packs on you for 10 to 15 minutes)

Ultra Sound (an ultrasound wand is rubbed over your affected areas for 10 to 15 minutes.)

Massage (yep, the minimum wage young lady rubs you [but not in the way you'd really like] for 10 to 15 minutes.)

TENS - Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation (you know those patches they adhere to you for a polygraph or to check on your heart? Like that, only a there are multiple patches and the story goes that they pass a minor electrical pulse between them, to relieve pain. You can pick one up online for under $17. And remember, the mill charges $80 to maybe $125 for 10 to 15 minutes of this.) The $17 unit: https://www.tenspros.com/tens-3000-analogue-tens-unit-dt3002.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw0tHoBRBhEiwAvP1GFWeITMI4T1PLp7aIyZNXpcR5w6zG53GrRXOYGJV8KF8OUlzhEtnwBxoC8rgQAvD_BwE

So the patient is in the mill offices for about an hour, with $300 and more in charges, and never saw the chiropractor. They usually see the chiro every two weeks, for evaluation. And maybe he'll attempt an adjustment, but their hearts are never in it. Because people who are truly injured go to reputable health care providers, not to the mill their TV attorney sends them to.

After about two months of 'treatment', there's a $5,000 med bill, with a report that's a fill-in-the-blanks format right out of Word, always with the same prognosis, "Guarded"... The patient is at risk for life of having the symptoms return.

Do I sound bitter? N'ah, it was all just part of the game.

Here's probably my most amusing story: six people were in a car that was rear-ended and the mill attorney sent them all to a chiropractic mill. There was demonstratable damage to both cars so when the attorney made a demand for $15,000 for each passenger, the carrier, knowing they'd have to pay something, gleefully told that the attorney it was a 15/30 policy, meaning the most the carrier would pay was $30,000, TOTAL.

If the attorney wanted to try the case to get a bigger verdict, all he'd get from the carrier was the $30K. But the chiro's bills were close to $30K all by themselves and the attorney wanted to make some money, so he told his clients, "Hey, come in and endorse the settlement checks that the carrier sent me with both our names on them, so I can cash them and pay the doctor, and cover some of my bills, but unfortunately, there's no money left over for you."

Last I heard, the claimants were still refusing to go to downtown Los Angeles to sign their checks and get nothing out of it. That would only add to the mileage expenses they'd already incurred in going to the chiro mill as often as they did.

Hey, it's funny if you're in or were in the biz...

I have avoided "mills". I go to a small clinic. Reputable. They use ice packs and heating occasionally, but not much.

I don't agree it is just a massage. That is like confusing brandy with fruit juice.

This is what’s wrong with medicine. Money. The oversight is in all the wrong places.

I agree that churros can produce miracles. Or chiro. Maybe both. But heat and TENS are a lot different from adjustment.

The gentle application of warm churros is a marvelous work and a wonder!

elderolddog Wrote:
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> The gentle application of warm churros is a
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Oh my God... you are inspired.

Well, thank you. But in this case the inspiration came from Baby Lon Stockings, or however it's pronounced...

Lots of mormons I know are big into chiropractic and its various sister disciplines of alternative treatment (myopractic, osteopatjy, homeopathy, etc.)

One guy in parents' stake is some big wig chiropractor who travels all over giving lectures and training other "doctors" of chiropractic.

Lots of people I know have gone to him for "treatment." Each and every one of them comes out saying that this "doctor" discovered that one of their legs is shorter than the other. That, he tells them, is why they've had so many aches, pains, etc. Then he prescribes them special insoles he developef that they buy directly from him. I roll my eyes everytime I hear about another of his victims... I mean patients.

I should probably add that this "doctor" the only guy I personally know with a full-size pool inside his mansion and another, huge pool outside.

Blessings can't heal medical conditions, but experts in the field often can.

Chiro saved me from years of pain.
I went to a dozen different MD's in different specialties and their final word on my injury was "learn to live with it". A friend paid for my first visit to a Chiro and I felt better right away. He retired and I went through a few others looking for the same level of treatment I'd had originally, and then I found him, the Chiro Doc from heaven. He got me back to work again and in due time got me back to normal. I won't let any other chiro touch me. He took me on as a charity case, charging me $100 a month for 2 visits a week!
Chiro is an ART. Not everyone can do it. There are those who fake it with the treatments mentioned in other posts. But a few are genuinely talented healers. Ya just gotta find the right one :-)

See, I can buy this! There are people like this in probably most fields involving interpersonal relationships.

Doesn't matter how or why the healing takes place, only that it does.

Cynicism never cured anyone. Well, that I know of...

To be fair, there is some art in mainstream medicine. It's not just about getting people to pop pills, but also how you deal with the patients (and happy patients often heal quicker than stressed ones). There is a whole aspect of mainstream medicine which isn't all statistical.

This is probably most noticeable in pediatrics. A good pediatrician knows how to handle children, not just hot to treat them medically.

Many of the chiropractors around here are TBM...mine is not. She rocks.