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Posted by: BeenThereDunnThatExMo ( )
Date: February 13, 2020 04:36PM

Was the old Sears Catalog Porn?

Is Cosmopolitan magazine Porn?

Is the Sports Illustrated annual Swim-Suit issue Porn?

Was the Victoria's Secret annual Fashion Show Porn?

Is the Miss America Pageant Porn?

Is the movie Pretty Woman Porn?

Enquiring minds wanna know!!!

Or so it seems to me...

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: February 13, 2020 05:50PM

The "I know it when I see it" Supreme Court case:

  "The phrase 'I know it when I see it' is a colloquial expression by which a speaker attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly defined parameters. The phrase was used in 1964 by United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart to describe his threshold test for obscenity in Jacobellis v. Ohio.[1][2] In explaining why the material at issue in the case was not obscene under the Roth test, and therefore was protected speech that could not be censored, Stewart wrote:

  "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."
  --Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184 (1964)

"This was modified in Memoirs v. Massachusetts, 383 U.S. 413 (1966), in which obscenity was defined as anything patently offensive, appealing to prurient interest, and of no redeeming social value.

"Still, however, this left the ultimate decision of what constituted obscenity up to the whim of the courts, and did not provide an easily applicable standard for review by the lower courts.

"This changed in 1973 with Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15 (1973). The Miller case established what came to be known as the Miller test, which clearly articulated that three criteria must be met for a work to be legitimately subject to state regulations. The Court recognized the inherent risk in legislating what constitutes obscenity, and necessarily limited the scope of the criteria. The criteria were:

  1)  The average person, applying local community standards, looking at the work in its entirety, must find that it appeals to the prurient interest.

  2)  The work must describe or depict, in an obviously offensive way, sexual conduct, or excretory functions.

  3)  The work as a whole must lack "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific values.

"The third criterion pertains to a judgement made by "reasonable persons" of the United States as a whole, while the first two pertain to that of members of the local community. Due to the larger scope of the third test, it is a more ambiguous criterion than the first two."
--various Wikipedia pages


It makes perfect sense that the only two people fit to judge what ghawd would find to be 'beyond the pale' would be the individual doing the viewing (as a community of one) and Rusty Milhous Nelson, ghawd's spokes-hole here on Earth.

Each individual ought to be able to decide if keeping his eyes and ears open to a live presentation, photograph or video is the right thing to do. And if there is any doubt, the matter should be discussed with Rusty. That's part of his job here!

I will grant that until the ripe old age of "Consent", 8 years old, parents ought to have a free hand in terms of judging for the sweet little spirits entrusted to their care. Upon attaining the age of 8, kids should be left to reason it out for themselves.

There should be a small but fertile bumper-sticker industry the wide world over, in which appropriate variations on the theme, "I know what's best for me!" are mass-produced for the consuming public.


Who among us has not awoken on a Sunday morning, still a glowing cinder from the passions of the evening before? The experience of having one's passions melt every restraint one ever imagined existed is a consummation devoutly to be wished, as I believe Joseph Smith mentioned during more than a few of his honeymoons.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: February 13, 2020 06:06PM

Milhaus. hahahahah ha.

Porn Czar? Has to be Brother Wendy. "Never Even Once" Remember?

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 17, 2020 01:02PM

An apostle looking at his wife naked.

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Posted by: Justice ( )
Date: February 14, 2020 10:26AM

Its Brent D Ward, the former US Attorney for Utah latter to head the Porn task force in Washington

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Posted by: East Coast Exmo ( )
Date: February 14, 2020 11:46AM

He knows it when he sees it, so he's going to have to look at all of it.

Thanks, Brent, for taking one for the team.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 14, 2020 12:34PM

Yes, and one of those court rulings is that the item 'must be viewed <considered> in its entirety' ...

So, can't just view segments of a given item / title / presentation....


wife to Brendt: Hi honey, how was your day at work?

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: February 14, 2020 12:47PM

Whatever makes his little factory go "schwing!!"

So, ankles, shoulders, two earrings, Gloria on 'Modern Family', Ionian columns--it's all porn.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: February 14, 2020 12:54PM

The holiness of bringing new life into this world...

Creation: the ultimate good we perform...

Couples devoted to ghawd will have many children...

Couples create ... and then they re-create.

Re-Creation is holiness!

Recreation is good for you ...

So if porn is your recreation, ghawd should be happy.

So what's the problem?

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Posted by: dogbloggernli ( )
Date: February 14, 2020 01:01PM

It's about who controls the means of reproduction.

Who knew that sex was so economic!

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: February 14, 2020 01:13PM

I believe that he's on the top committee watch dog group. It's believed that he spends hours upon hours perusing the internet for the latest trends in pornography. He has a personal list of websites that members must avoid at all costs.

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Posted by: CL2 ( )
Date: February 14, 2020 01:56PM


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Posted by: OneWayJay ( )
Date: February 14, 2020 02:20PM

In the US pornography is legal. Obscenity is not.

A few decades ago, think it was Pleasant Grove, UT that prosecuted owners of a Video store for Adult movies. Seems a kid wandered past a curtain and the parent got mad and prosecution was pushed hard.

The store won when the titles being used in the prosecution were found to be "community standards" because the defense team went to the Marriot Hotel in Provo and could rent them "in room" for viewing.

For a few years back then Utah even had a Porn Czar as a government position.

The place is nuts.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 14, 2020 07:04PM

OneWayJay Wrote:
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> In the US pornography is legal. Obscenity is not.


'You Know It When You See It'!!!

perhaps there was an objective distinction at one time, but I don't think there is currently.

Anyone who's seen the current offerings on the net remains to be convinced.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: February 15, 2020 04:27AM

I never heard the church give a specific definition on pornography so I guess that leaves the interpretation up to the individual member. I guess it’s not porn unless you think it’s porn.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: February 15, 2020 09:20AM

Female skin.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: February 16, 2020 12:02AM

Or male.

;-)

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Posted by: alsd ( )
Date: February 15, 2020 09:50AM

BeenThereDunnThatExMo Wrote:
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> Was the old Sears Catalog Porn?
>
> Is Cosmopolitan magazine Porn?
>
> Is the Sports Illustrated annual Swim-Suit issue
> Porn?
>
> Was the Victoria's Secret annual Fashion Show
> Porn?
>
> Is the Miss America Pageant Porn?
>
> Is the movie Pretty Woman Porn?
>
> Enquiring minds wanna know!!!
>
> Or so it seems to me...

Was in Utah just recently and on I-15 near Ogden there is a big billboard claiming that Cosmopolitan magazine is porn. They have a website for it too.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: February 15, 2020 10:17AM

https://www.cosmohurtskids.com/welcome

It appears that Victoria Hearst, a granddaughter of William Randolph Hearst, is seeking that Cosmo be labeled as porn so that its sale be restricted if such laws exist in a jurisdiction.

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Posted by: tumwater ( )
Date: February 15, 2020 11:58PM

We are updating the HOA covenants, one item of discussion is "spite fences and vegetation".

When questioned what is a spite fence or vegetation, the only definition that was given was that the board would know it when they saw it.

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Posted by: cheezus ( )
Date: February 16, 2020 11:22AM

I don’t know what talk of all this ‘pornography’ is. Do you mean ‘pruhnography’? I’ve heard so general authority sisters talk about that.

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Posted by: gemini ( )
Date: February 16, 2020 02:11PM

The old Sears Catalog DID kind of constitute porn for my DH back in the early 70's. I've told this before here. It had to do with a little error in editing a picture of a model in men's underwear. DH heard about it. We were dirt poor college students. But, he just HAD to go to the Sears store far away in St.Louis to "see what all the fuss was about"...all in the name of religion doncha know.

Years later, after he came out as a gay man, he confessed that he couldn't wait to see that page in the catalog. Me, I was just absolutely clueless at the time.

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Posted by: Anziano Young ( )
Date: February 17, 2020 12:37AM

BeenThereDunnThatExMo Wrote:
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> Was the old Sears Catalog Porn?

Nope, just a slice of good old Americana.

> Is Cosmopolitan magazine Porn?

This is porn of the worst kind, "soft core."

> Is the Sports Illustrated annual Swim-Suit issue
> Porn?

Nah, this is a "sports" magazine. "Sports" men read the swimsuit issue just for the "sports."

> Was the Victoria's Secret annual Fashion Show
> Porn?

Victoria's Secret sells immodest underwear, and how dare they. Porn.

> Is the Miss America Pageant Porn?

Of course not, that's just talent on display.

> Is the movie Pretty Woman Porn?

Rated R. Porn!

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Posted by: Razortooth ( )
Date: February 17, 2020 02:01PM

I hear tell that the LDS church is planning to publish its own magazines designed to compete with popular porn magazines. They feature inspirational articles and photographs of women in pioneer garb. The first two coming out are called PRAYBOY and REPENTHOUSE.

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Posted by: Razortooth ( )
Date: February 17, 2020 02:02PM

The most vivid pornography springs from human imagination. How do you outlaw that?

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 17, 2020 08:42PM

Will subscriptions by managed by Deseret Bookstores?

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