D&C 121 says that the priesthood must be exercised ONLY in righteousness, and that if any man uses his priesthood to exercise "dominion" over another person in "any degree of unrighteousness," the heavens withdraw and his priesthood ends. Apparently it does not require any action from church authority - it's automatic and instantaneous.

Now look at Joseph Smith's dealings with Helen Kimball. He told her that by marrying him her entire family would be granted entry into the celestial kingdom. That promise was the reason she agreed to be sealed to him. But there is absolutely no scriptural or theological or revelatory basis for such a promise. It is an excellent example of using priesthood in unrighteous dominion. There was absolutely no justification for that promise. Helen would not have accepted except for Smith's using his priesthood standing to convince her.

That would clearly mean that Smith lost his priesthood the moment he tried to get Helen into his bed with that false promise.

If he also used his priesthood to seduce Fanny Alger, violating the requirement that taking any woman as plural wife must have the first wife's permission (D&C 132:61) he lost his priesthood much earlier.

That would mean that any man he ordained after he lost his priesthood was not ordained at all, nor could any of those men confer the priesthood on others.

And that would mean that a huge majority of Mormon men today, whose priesthood traces back to Joseph Smith after Smith had no priesthood,
have no priesthood authority after all.

For more problems this makes for Mormons, see my article on "Apostasy and Authority" at http://packham.n4m.org/authority.htm

Richard, I think that very early in his church life, JoJu gave himself the 2nd Annoying, thus granting himself forgiveness for all his future stumblings.

Therefore, everything was mosher, which is mormon for kosher...

Alls well that ends with a climax.

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> Richard, I think that very early in his church life, JoJu gave himself the 2nd Annoying, thus granting himself forgiveness for all his future stumblings.

I don't think that helps. Being guaranteed entrance into the CK (having your "election made sure" has nothing to do with whether you hold the priesthood or not. Lots of Mormon women have received the 2nd A with their husbands, and they have no priesthood.

He didn't even introduce the endowment (the "first anointing") until quite late in life.

Or maybe you were just joking...

Well, we are dealing with the mormon church ... So, yeah.

"That would mean that any man he ordained after he lost his priesthood was not ordained at all, nor could any of those men confer the priesthood on others.

"And that would mean that a huge majority of Mormon men today, whose priesthood traces back to Joseph Smith after Smith had no priesthood, have no priesthood authority after all."


It's even better/worse than that. DNA analysis has shown that all humans descend from Africans who emigrated elsewhere. According to the pre-1978 one-drop doctrine, no man in recorded history has ever been qualified to hold said priesthood, irrespective of skin color. Both Smith and Young, as well as Petersen, Stapley, McConkie, etc. unknowingly possessed "black blood." Consequently, no mormon ordination has ever been valid.

Mormonic priesthood irrevocably rests on a literal Caucasian Adam & Eve.

Also, any 'women's priesthood' wasn't valid either....


I KNEW you'd want to know that, te he :)