Are the Covid 19 numbers soaring in AZ because the Mormon church dumped so many returning missionaries into the state?


Just wondering.



Does anyone know?

Covid 19 numbers are soaring in AZ because of who is in political power.

He reopened us by saying "let 'er rip!".

Arizonans don't "believe" in COVID 19. It sure believes in them.

Why does the governor’s name always remind me of Stewie from Family Guy?

What the deuce ee!

It's that ridiculous midwestern accent that irks me.

Is it too much to ask for our governor to be an Arizonan?

Because lots of them still remember Ev Meacham, that's why.

GNPE Wrote:
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> Because lots of them still remember Ev Meacham,
> that's why.
There are not that many who remember his disastrous reign.

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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> Covid 19 numbers are soaring in AZ because of who
> is in political power.

I DISAGREE!!!
I believe that it is a natural flow that has to run its course

Then why is that "natural flow" so vastly greater in the United States than in other countries?

covid doesn't care about your silly suicidal beliefs. It still will kill you.

Was there a new return of missionaries? If you're referencing the first big missionary return, then I'd say no, AZ's current spike in cases is not likely related to missionaries returning.

It seems like another mystery of this virus. However, testing has increased, so cases being up isn't that surprising. There was a one day spike in deaths day before yesterday, but thankfully yesterday's deaths were back down to a less startling number.

The Navajo reservation is suffering greatly, and that is skewing the AZ numbers. Propublica hasn't changed their AZ ICU bed availability throughout this recent spike. 28%, which is below the goal of 30%, but not by a lot.

https://projects.propublica.org/reopening-america/

Although my wife told me of a facebook report that a local Valley hospital had no open ICU beds yesterday and was scrambling to create more capacity.

Many news outlets reported that Arizona hospitals are nearing capacity. CNBC reported hospitals at 84% inpatient bed capacity as of Wednesday. (I heard a report on the CBS evening news that cited 90%.) ICU bed capacity is at 78%. The same CNBC article cited a test positivity rate of 13% for all samples taken on June 7th, which is a worrying upward trend if it holds (the WHO states that we should be aiming for 5% overall.)

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/11/arizona-coronavirus-cases-nearly-double-since-memorial-day-as-state-nears-hospital-capacity.html

Although the Arizona governor has stated that the state has surge capacity available for hospital beds, I can't look at the current numbers and be encouraged.

While most COVID-19 related sites are not very accessible to blind people (like yours truly), this one is:

https://cvstats.net/

Looking at the current numbers for individual states from this site, one thing really stands out to me about the Arizona statistics. There is not a big difference between the number of cases (34,458) and the number of active cases (33,101). Compare that with the numbers on the next state down: Minnesota has 30,172 total cases but only 3,238 active cases. The big difference between these numbers between Arizona and Minnesota (and many other states, including some with very Republican governors) suggests to me that my home state (I'll admit to that) is not testing people for the virus unless they are showing symptoms. Not testing nonsymptomatic people is a huge factor, I'm afraid, in the jump in Arizona's numbers.

Good catch, blindguy.

For whatever it is worth, I observe a lot of people in my northern Arizona town walking around in groups not wearing masks.
I believe many are still not taking the pandemic seriously. Just this morning I went to the grocery store (where many people were wearing masks). As I was walking into the front doors I noticed an elderly couple getting out of their truck without a mask for either one of them. Later, they were walking around the store mask-free. Though they are in the highest-risk demographic for contracting and dying from covid-19, these two seemed unconcerned. Maybe they have already had it and survived, but I doubt it.

Lumberjack Wrote:
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> As I
> was walking into the front doors I noticed an
> elderly couple getting out of their truck without
> a mask for either one of them. Later, they were
> walking around the store mask-free. Though they
> are in the highest-risk demographic for
> contracting and dying from covid-19, these two
> seemed unconcerned.

wearing a mask is to protect others from the wearer, not to protect the wearer.

I went to Home Depot, Lowes, and an independent computer store today in Mesa. Most people were without masks and indifferent to spacing. I don't understand. It's pretty simple. Wear a mask and keep distance and we all have a better chance of not getting/passing the virus.

Simple for you, but Arizona is a “red state”. Wearing masks is more a Tucson thing.

Way too many people riding bareback here.

I live in Tucson so there's many possible factors but the biggest one is that the Governor opened up the state; now it's 108 degrees so many people (tired of being at home) are going to malls and stores where it's air conditioned. To try to get "deals" from all of the bankrupt stores so many people are taking advantage of the air conditioning but they're not social distancing; but one of the biggest factors is testing. We had almost no testing here, except those who were being admitted to the hospitals, now we're testing. Also when the virus hits, it hits crowds and rest homes; many of the deaths prior to testing in the rest homes were being attributed to pneumonia and natural causes.

I also live in Tucson
I have mixed feelings about the efficacy of the masks.
However if a place of business requires them I conform.
I will probably be jumped on here but I am proceeding according to the dictates of my concience.
Once again: How is this helping me recover?



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Wearing a mask is something you do for those around you.

Germs don't care about your conscience--at all.

They do to care!
Why just the other day one asked for my opinion then totally rejected it



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Stay safe, knucklehead.

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LOL...sounds like George Bush.

>> "Once again: How is this helping me recover?"

Once again: Your recovery is up to you, not anyone else.

Headline : "The hospitals are filling up #DuceyDeath coming soon to AZ"

The Dine have reinstituted curfews since Arizonans continue being careless.

Look at Florida.

Look at Oklahoma in a few weeks.

A couple of observations:

1. No matter what the governor says or orders, if people don't comply there is nothing happens. So if you get the virus it's your fault, too bad.

2. What happen to the idea that the COVID virus was a cool weather thing, as the weather got warmer, the infection rate would go down. So much for those prognosticators. Incidentally, isn't New Zealand and Australia getting cooler and their infection rate has dropped to zero?

> 2. What happen to the idea that the COVID virus
> was a cool weather thing, as the weather got
> warmer, the infection rate would go down. So much
> for those prognosticators.

No one with epidemiological expertise said that. Many of them said that COVID may prove seasonal, as such viruses sometimes do, but none of them described that as inevitable. It was politicians who predicted that the pandemic would abate as the temperature went up.

Morale of the story: don't take medical advice from politicians.


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> Incidentally, isn't
> New Zealand and Australia getting cooler and their
> infection rate has dropped to zero?

Our Aussie friends can explain what has happened there although the paucity of humans on that continent probably makes control there easier. In the case of NZ, the pandemic was contained by early and aggressive government action so COVID did not gain a foothold. South Korea and Japan are additional examples of the importance of strong leadership.

Morale of the story: government policy and social responsibility are critical to suppressing the pandemic.

New Zealand is not a zero according to recent news.

Yes you can't control people especially just by telling them.
There are no laws with enforcement these are all public orders which often are read as suggestions.

So really it is protect your assets first sort of thing.

We could have had zero cases in the US if we had just not tested anyone, as Donald suggested.