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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: January 20, 2021 09:28PM

Apparently Harvard Prof. Taylor G. Petrey didn't get the memo that using nick names, like "MORmON" is a "Major Victory for Satan" according to the MORmON PRofit, since he uses the "Major Victory For Satan 24 times in his OpEd in the Deseret News.

"It is perfectly appropriate to debate the limitations and balances for social programs to benefit the collective good. But the talking point that voluntary charity is superior to shared responsibility in social institutions is unscriptural, anti-democratic, an empirical failure and morally questionable. Efforts to build shared institutions for education, health care, economic safety nets, social welfare and equal rights are not equivalent to communism nor a gateway to it. Public and private efforts to strengthen society should work cooperatively.

Having chosen a failed political path, a morally suspect social analysis and a self-destructive single-party system, it may be time for a re-evaluation of the role of this brand of conservatism in Mormon identity."

https://www.deseret.com/2017/5/9/20611903/taylor-g-petrey-the-failures-of-mormon-conservatism?

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: January 20, 2021 10:06PM

> Apparently Harvard Prof.
> Taylor G. Petrey didn't
> get the memo that using
> nick names, like "MORmON"
> is a "Major Victory for
> Satan" according to the
> MORmON PRofit, since he
> uses the "Major Victory
> For Satan 24 times in his
> OpEd in the Deseret News.

This OpEd piece of verbal anesthesia appeared in the Deseret News on May 09, 2017.

Thomas S. Monson was at that time the Mormon Boy leader of the Pack. Monson died January 02, 2018, and on January 14, 2018, current Commander in Chief, Rusty Scalpel, M.D., was confirmed to that high office.

Thus when scholar Petrey 'mormoned' all over his page of the DN, it was perfectly okay to do so. He is not going to hell for it.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: January 21, 2021 12:00AM

"Rusty Scalpel" -- love it! :D

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Posted by: azsteve ( )
Date: January 21, 2021 12:01AM

Mormon conservatism is a failure because the Mormon church shouldn't be involved in politics as they are. You can buy a starving man a fishing pole and teach him how to fish. Or you can convince him that he is entitled to expect others to feed him. In the Mormon version of this story, the church gives him a fishing pole in exchange for his working on the church farm and then tells him that he has to give the church one out of every ten fish he catches. He also has to attend brainwashing meetings several times per week and eventually graduates to telling others how to live their own lives in service to the church as well. I don't see any real charity in there at all. The conservatism in the case of the Mormon church is simply a good vehicle to meet the church's desired ends and not a healthy implementation of real conservative values at all. General Managers, CEOs, and even insurance salesmen make more profitable church leaders for the church than plumbers and fast food workers do. But the church shouldn't be promoting conservatism or any other ideaology, even if indirectly. They should be a charity like when you give the man a fishing pole and teach him how to fish without using the appearance of charity to eventually enslave him. The fact that people are being driven away is no surprise. Those who do stay, stay in hopes of becoming more like their more wealthy church leaders. The Mormon Church itself is a parasite and its local leaders are businessmen in training. The guy that wrote the article didn't talk about that. It appears that he doesn't quite comprehend the core issues himself, including the concept of charity.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: January 21, 2021 03:53AM

“Mormon conservatism is a failure because the Mormon church shouldn't be involved in politics as they are.”

Looking at the end of the Trump presidency, I’d have to say it’s been a spectacular failure. I’m a little disappointed that Romney split with Trump leaving him as a possible candidate in 2024, but impressed that he didn’t “drink the Kool Aid”. Trump dialed the crazy up to 11 and his party fell into lockstep. They would rather destroy their own party than disappoint their cult leader. The one who lied to them every step of the way.

So, why did they do that? Why did they go with the big lie and the cult-like self delusion? Conservatism doesn’t have to be that.

Unless by definition it is that, but I think Jonathan Haidt’s institutional fragility is coming into play. When an institution suppresses dissent, that makes the institution weaker. Fragility creeps into the system making it possible to shatter like glass. The church has a big problem with this because church leaders are treated like Trump Lite. There’s no dissent, no alternate ways of looking at things, no checks on self delusion. If Mormons want to pretend they’re Jews, they could at least discuss religion like Jews.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/21/2021 04:15AM by bradley.

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