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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: February 26, 2021 07:48PM

BYU committee on race and diversity releases 26 recommendations to help 'root out racism'

https://www.ksl.com/article/50115486/byu-committee-on-race-and-diversity-releases-26-recommendations-to-help-root-out-racism

Maybe start by changing the name of your racist University to not honor an unapologetic racist?

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: February 26, 2021 08:50PM

Also: hold a special fireside for all endowed members. Tell them to stop being racist. Then call a black person as their stake president.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: February 26, 2021 10:04PM

slskipper Wrote:
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> Also: hold a special fireside for all endowed
> members. Tell them to stop being racist. Then call
> a black person as their stake president.
Also, if you want to do more than perform symbolic gestures, lobby your racist CULT to redact the clearly racist/white supremacist scriptures to scrub them of the hateful 19th Century myths used to justify slavery and genocide.
Until that happens any other performative gesture is meaningless.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 02, 2021 02:52AM

Well, then he's making more from RfM than you and I combined.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 02, 2021 11:48AM

A case could be made that he could be driven by greed!

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: February 26, 2021 09:45PM

Here is the summation of "The Problem" from the committee's report:

"We heard from students who are leaders and members of the Black Student Union, the Tribe of Many Feathers, and Hispanos Unidos who report profoundly painful experiences rooted in racially prejudicial (or ignorant) attitudes among community members at BYU. BIPOC students have identified the lack of diversity in the BYU student body, and the resulting lack of sensitivity and skill of too many students, as being a primary cause of their challenges and isolation."

[I'm troubled by the (or ignorant) in that paragraph...]

There is 'Reasoning' presented that if there were more BIPOC students (Black, Indigenous, People of Color) on campus, things would be better; each BIPOC student would be see and feel 'family' around him/her, and thus lose the sense of isolation. You know, less chance of a Black kid being the only Black person in a Book of Mormon class.

Here is a list of 21 recommendations by the committee to the BYU administration:

RECOMMENDATION 1. Create a central Office of Diversity and Belonging at the university charged with strategic planning and implementation of initiatives to assist students and employees with issues related to race, equity, and belonging.

RECOMMENDATION 2. Create a new position of vice president for diversity and belonging who reports directly to the president, is a member of the President’s Council, and who oversees the Office of Diversity and Belonging.

RECOMMENDATION 3. Implement clear lines of accountability to empower the Office of Diversity and Belonging to coordinate, focus, and leverage the efforts of Multicultural Student Services, International Student and Scholar Services, and the Office of Student Success and Inclusion. These offices might efficiently report to the Office of Diversity and Belonging which will allow for focused efforts to serve BIPOC students academically and to enhance their sense of well-being and belonging.

RECOMMENDATION 4. Develop and implement extensive diversity and inclusion training programs and resources for faculty, staff, and administrators. This training would be facilitated by the Office of Diversity and Belonging.

RECOMMENDATION 5. Commit to changes to general education, religion, and elective courses that educate students on race, unity, and diversity.

RECOMMENDATION 6. Consider additions to the Aims of a BYU Education that reflect current statements from prophets and apostles about the need to demonstrate civility, racial and ethnic harmony, and mutual respect. Promote current language in BYU’s mission statement that calls for “loving, genuine concern for the welfare of our neighbor” and for a broad education that helps students “understand important ideas in their own cultural tradition as well as that of others.”

RECOMMENDATION 7. Promote and implement the Fostering an Enriched Environment Policy throughout the university.

RECOMMENDATION 8. Encourage colleges and departments to adopt statements on race, equity, and belonging that can be used in college and department operations and communications.

RECOMMENDATION 9. Establish a standing university committee dedicated to advancing racial understanding, enhancing equity, and promoting belonging for BIPOC communities at BYU. In order to more expeditiously accomplish this recommendation, a proposed charter is included in Appendix B.

RECOMMENDATION 10. Establish a new position of vice president or associate vice president of enrollment management and student success that is empowered to create strategic initiatives for recruitment, admission, scholarship, financial aid, retention, and student success for all students and that is particularly charged with leading initiatives associated with attracting, admitting, retaining, and supporting the academic success of BIPOC students.

RECOMMENDATION 11. Form a Recruitment, Admissions, and Student Success Committee with a charge to assist the vice president or associate vice president of enrollment management and student success to optimize attracting, admitting, retaining, and supporting the academic success of BIPOC and other students. This committee should be composed of faculty members and university administrators committed to fostering an enriched environment.

RECOMMENDATION 12. Develop a strategic plan to increase graduation rates for BIPOC students. This plan should include collaboration between services and offices that are intended to assist BIPOC students to succeed academically.

RECOMMENDATION 13. Design and implement a race-conscious recruitment strategy to attract more BIPOC student applicants to BYU

RECOMMENDATION 14. Perform an independent validation study on all current admissions policies, particularly the weighting systems, to evaluate whether they have a disparate impact on BIPOC applicants. Ensure that the admissions process is holistic in its application and reflects the values promoted in BYU’s Fostering an Enriched Environment Policy.

RECOMMENDATION 15. Invite the Office of the General Counsel to evaluate the legal parameters of a race-conscious admissions model for BYU, in the interest of pursuing an enriched environment for the student body.

RECOMMENDATION 16. Select prestigious scholarship recipients with greater emphasis on a holistic review of the entire applicant file, with criteria to include commitment to excellence, leadership potential, socioeconomic profile, adverse life circumstances, etc. We recommend a scrutiny of policies for determining scholarship criteria and their impact on BIPOC applicants.

RECOMMENDATION 17. Create Enriched Environment Scholarships honoring early BIPOC members of the Church, such as Jane Manning James, Elijah Abel, and others, to be made available to students who have demonstrated a commitment to the values contained in the Fostering an Enriched Environment Policy.

RECOMMENDATION 18. Create socioeconomic disadvantage scholarships, in addition to existing need-based scholarships, for students who demonstrate that they come from socioeconomically disadvantaged circumstances, who have faced adversities attendant to such circumstances, and who demonstrate the need for financial support in order to obtain a BYU education.

RECOMMENDATION 19. Create a process that allows students to report instances of racial discrimination on campus. Through this process, such claims would be investigated and redressed, as appropriate.

RECOMMENDATION 20. Establish a dedicated, visible space on campus for underrepresented students and those who serve this population; such a space will foster community and promote belonging.

RECOMMENDATION 21. Take steps to ensure that the BYU Honor Code and Dress and Grooming Standards are applied with cultural competence and sensitivity.



Anyone who has worked in an environment where success, or acknowledged competency is tied to the ability to generate bullshit disguised as 'progress reports' or 'initiative generation' will have recognized that this BYU report is just such a product.

But they are working under the very weighty strain of probably the main handicap the church has. While it might not serve to bring the church to its knees, I think it will be the wedge that continues to separate the church from mainstream relevance.

And hats, caps, and brassieres off to The Cat, cuz he hit the nail on the head: Brigham Young, the man, and the honoree, is the problem, and the reluctance of the prophet(s) to throw him under the bus is the problem.

Along with the fact that the church DEMANDS what all mormon students at the Y be 'active', with yearly endorsement by a bishop to 'prove' the activity...

So the basic problem is that the church does not have enough BIPOC members who are having kids sufficiently advantaged to get the basic education needed to be admitted, under the current admissions criteria. And this problem is not likely to change at all in the near, middle, or far future.

And then there's the racism baked into the foundation and early growth (and success?) of the church...

Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.

Nephites = White and delightsome, the going to the CK chosen ones, who make up 99.9% of the occupants of the COB and the leadership positions of the church from the 70s on up.

Lamanites = Me. 'Nuff said... Even when I was faithful, that faith wasn't enough to bleed off the brown ... 2nd Class, but hey, the grass won't cut itself nor the dishes get from the table to the kitchen sink on their own...

Blacks = "The Losers" in mormonism's grand (and embarrassing) scheme of things. All the explanations, and the judgments, are clearly written, and widely available. The church just can't get intelligent 'no-ax-to-grind' people to accept that (like polygamy) it wasn't the pressure brought to bear on the church that caused ghawd to 'recant' from either commandment.

They were both just coincidences... Willford Woodruff got a burning in his bosom that calling an end to "The New and Everlasting Covenant" was appropriate, and Spencer Woosie Kimball got the same burning in his bosom about needing to call an end to segregation, cuz it was 'time'.

In its youth, mormonism bathed itself in racism and racist doctrine, and grew rich and strong. This carried on into the 1960s & 1970s when focusing on Whites was good for the church. The missionaries were taught, "look, if a Black person wants to join... well, let'em, but don't go encouraging them!"

And then it all caught up to them...

And they said, "Oh, it's over! All over! We just got the word! Blacks could ALWAYS join! Yeah!! And now they can have the priesthood! Yeah! See? So, no harm, no foul! See? Come on, <gulp!> you can even date our daughters...

It was like Nazi Germany after the war, "We were just following orders!" They did their best to waltz around the Black issue, they did the do-si-do, they clapped to the music, they put their right foot in, they took their right foot out ...

But they refused to say that ghawd made a boo-boo. Because then they will have admitted that a prophet's declaration can't be trusted.

Prophetic inerrancy is the expected level of performance. And while it's easy to see that the two big cheese prophets regarding the establishment of the church are the crazy-ass poster boys for 'prophetic errancy', the church cannot admit it!! Or they go the way of the CoC doo-doo.

Yea! internet for not letting it go away!

So the futility of these efforts by my alma mater, Brigham Young Racist Pig University, is vividly apparent to anyone without a dog in this hunt.

But yes, while the number of faithful BIPOC mormons attending the school will always be a tiny fraction of the student body, it is theoretically possible that da White Folk can be Woke, and that everyone in that 30,000 student echo chamber will live happily ever after.

But that 'wokefullness' has to start in the home/home ward, and it is not something that will be affected by any honky, jive-ass committee of sell-out BIPOC mormons under the thumb of White ruling-class prophets.

That's how I see it.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: February 26, 2021 10:00PM

I hereby nominate EOD for the office of Vice President for Diversity and Belonging subject to the following three conditions:

1) He may no longer call himself Jesus,

2) He must find someone else to fill his erstwhile position as chief lawn mower, and

3) magaRomney must promise that despite the presence of lesser races in the Office for Diversity and Belonging, he will not lead his merry band of Anglo-Saxons in violent raids against it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2021 10:17PM by Lot's Wife.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 12:07AM

But don’t white supremacists need a place to belong? Maybe even a safe haven from today’s political climate. I can imagine that sentiment at BYU. It’s kind of like how young men who can’t control themselves need protection from women who induce them to commit rape. The administration wants federal funding, but it also wants Mormon culture. What’s a school to do?

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 07:27AM

Along with the generous dollop of BS, I do think there are a number of useful items in that list, i.e. diversity training, lectures and lessons that are sensitive to inclusion, and recruitment, admissions, and retention practices that help POC.

I think BYU's main problem is that in North America, Mormonism is still largely a white person's religion.

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Posted by: cludgie ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 12:41PM

They keep using the word "diversity," as if it's something that they highly regard. I don't think they realize how silly they look. And then there are things like this with hidden meanings:

RECOMMENDATION 21. Take steps to ensure that the BYU Honor Code and Dress and Grooming Standards are applied with cultural competence and sensitivity.

One has to have the correct degree of Mormon cynicism to divine what is in the meaning. Simply it's, "Don't just kick out some black student because he or she has a hairdo that is not like that of a white kid. That would only make us look bad. First tell them that Hen'ly Fodder doesn't approve of dreads or corn rows."

The church NEVER just says something without some sort of hidden message or baked-in plausible deniability.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: February 26, 2021 10:13PM

If nominated I will run, if elected I will defalcate.

Thank you.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: February 26, 2021 10:17PM

Defalcation is why they want you. Better service, lower price!

You can't treat an Anglo-Saxon that way. . .

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: February 26, 2021 11:16PM

...Anglo-Saxon V8, stick shift, convertible, fat slicks ...

...do a respectable, but respectful 3.9 seconds, 325mph...

Yeah!

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 12:11AM

All my friends dig a low rider

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 12:16AM

Yes, but can you imagine this beauty parked in front of the BYU Admin building?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alyx4QeRRdg

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Posted by: anonyXmo ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 01:53AM

The church & YBU are irredeemable ... all BIPOC/trans should be encouraged not to even consider lending support to such institutions by attending them or participating in any way and the church/school should make this their official position, for the safety of BIPOC/trans persons.

The church/church colleges will sink on their own if all BIPOC/trans folkx maintain stay away from them. W/o the diversity and range of experience such folkx provide, church-related culture will isolate itself to the point of irrelevancy

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Posted by: macaRomney ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 07:12AM

the article's summary point is that they want more diversity training, awareness, and committees. But to what end? Diversity training is a tough goal to accomplish. What usually happens is that a school or corp gets allocated some money and so there has to be a workshop, time spent, etc. There is a lot of raw-raw about how everyone is special, and then everyone goes back to what they were doing and nothing changes. I think the first step in getting more equitable results is if we could just clearly decide what we are actually trying to accomplish first. I remember back to my college days, I had lots of challenging classes and in the middle of all that a diversity requirement. It was all about how great different people are. There was however no training on what to actually do, how and why different people underperform against the majority, think differently or what to do about it. The training was a complete joke, a waste of time. I think we need to start with the hard evidence, the facts, but someone gets their feelings hurt and so these trainings become so soft and nice, we just all go back to what we were doing all before.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 01:29PM

macaRomney Wrote:
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> There was however
> no training on what to actually do, how and why
> different people underperform against the
> majority

You mean "how and why [Asians] underperform against" white people like you? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. They obviously waste too much time and energy studying math and science rather than Manifest Destiny.

More generally, the other day you mentioned that you and your ilk want to engage in open dialogue about ideas and let the best ones win. But when I asked you ten questions, you wouldn't engage. Is there a reason for that?

Just remember, I stand ready to test your hypothesis that minorities "underperform" you anytime you want. Judging from your reticence, I think you may perchance be more emotional, more timid, than you describe those triumphant Anglo-Saxon warriors as being.

But maybe sometime after you've had a six pack of courage?

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 10:35AM


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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 10:45AM

This list is an admission that they are the most racist of all, and they are famous for it, and they know it, and so the list--smoke and mirrors. And second, that they can't figure out on their own how to just stop it. Or, just won't do it because Mormons never admit to their true past and history.

If you are an adult in the 21st century and you need such a list then the list is worthless. You just look within and start judging people by whether they look at the phone too much in their car, stay on their phone in the check-out line which the checkers find offensive, leave their dogs out in the snow, go to super spreader parties and take selfies, and always leave the toilet seat down so you have to stick your fingers into what they left behind in order to lift it, and raise your kids in a cult. And that is the proper way to satisfy your judgmental cravings.

They can print all the lists they want, but until they address the BoM, the priesthood ban, and all the rest, publicly, they have no right to even open their mouths. Takes a lot of courage to throw all the prophets under the bus and come clean, but, back bone they have not.

And now, next General Conference, they can spotlight all the people of color in the Tabernacle Choir lingering a little to long and pat themselves on the back that their facade is enviable.

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Posted by: JoeSmith666 ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 11:38AM

Only let in White and Delightsome students, visitors and professors.
No other colors - no racism... right? A whole group of "normal people" - God's chosen.

MoronicPriesthood mentality at work.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 12:30PM

schrodingerscat Wrote:
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> Maybe start by changing the name of your racist
> University to not honor an unapologetic racist?


ChurchCo hasn't ever done a precise, specific 180, but-

I'd like to (a petition for) be naming the church colleges 'Juanita Brooks University' to honor her for revealing the truths of the Mountain Meadows Massacre...

Truth is Truth, anything less SUCKS!

waiting, waiting, waiting

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 12:46PM

There's only one name change I'll accept. It will adequately identify the origin and nature of the school and its curriculum:

Mormon Foundationalist Trade & Learning College

"No matter how ignorant you are, Mo-Fo-T-L-C can make you dumber."

"Mo-Fo, the school of the prophets and their suck-ups!"

"Here at Mo-Fo, when we say bend over, we mean it!"



Okay, okay, there is probably a better name...

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Posted by: cludgie ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 12:31PM

The whole exercise is some kind of red herring, hoping to get our minds off of church history by claiming how concerned they are about racism.

To root out BYU's racism, they have to change a few things:
1. Changed the name of the university; it's best to avoid naming it after a man, anyway.

2. Change the name of the library so that it doesn't glorify an avowed racist who was against admitting blacks to BYU.

3. Change the name of the law school so that it doesn't glorify a man who was openly anti-Semitic and pro-Hitler.

They need to purge, dammit. But we all know that the church, in its collective mind, can't do that. They just inadvertently end up making it worse, particularly when they try to revise their history by clutching their pearls and saying, "We don't know how many of our members became racist. It horrifies us to see that our members are racist, when we've only taught love and brotherhood!" Or the more annoying, "The church never had a doctrine of racism. Any racism is just a reflection folk belief and the attitude of the times."

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 01:19PM

As we know from logic / physics (?), half-way measures Never get you to your destination, there's always a fraction remaining.

In the case of institutional philosophies, the remaining cohort of individuals will cling to the old thoughts, the old ways, the old 'reasoning', this is clearly the case in ChurchCo;

Juanita Brooks wrote: "I feel sure that nothing but the truth can be good enough for the church to which I belong."

“If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed.”– President J. Reuben Clark



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Posted by: Elephant in the room ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 01:54PM

Ask Russ Nelson to formally apologize for the past exclusion of blacks from full participation in the church. Admit that this policy had been immoral and uninspired.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 02:03PM

You're actually asking ghawd to apologize!

If BY screwed up and they (the current prophets) proclaim this, it begs the question, "Why didn't ghawd correct it right away?"

Even if the answer is, "Hey, he's mysterious; his ways are not our ways!" it leaves ghawd looking like a dick. And not a pretty dick, all dressed up for a night out...

And without a 'direct' revelation, as the old guys used to get, no one is really going to be content with, "We have been impressed that ghawd wants to acknowledge that BY was a fuck-up. We prayed about it and we all agree that's the surveys our public relations have conducted and analyzed do express the will of ghawd, just like when changed the temple ritual... Amen."


Luckily, faithful members of the church are happy with, 'The thinking is done.'

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 02:07PM

why can't we just be human beings and treat each other with respect?
Why does skin pigment have to be the determining fctor in dealing one with another
I get so tired of hearing this go on and on and on and on
Let's form an
ANTI PIGMENT PREJUDICE LEAGUE

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 02:15PM

Possibly because it is not 'evil' or 'unrighteous' to allow pigmentation to be a "...determining factor in dealing with one another."

Is there a color car you wouldn't buy?


Also, human beings can and do treat each other with respect ... and then sometimes they don't.

Define/delineate what a human being is/does/wants/hate/loves, etc., etc.

Or continue to deny the continuums along which we all dwell.

Would you expect everyone, every human being, to be exactly like you? If so, imagine everyone else having the same desire. Then what?

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 04:24PM

Before I loud BYU for establishing this committee, I wanna know:

Who's on it

What is the likelihood their recommendation(s) will make it to Russ' desk, unfiltered?

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: February 27, 2021 06:10PM

A link to the Report:

https://race.byu.edu/00000177-d543-dfa9-a7ff-d5cfc1dc0000/race-equity-belonging-report-feb-25-2021



Who is on the committee, claiming to have participated in this group project ...

Shane Reese
Academic Vice President (Chair)

Moises Aguirre
Director, Multicultural Student Services

Ryan Gabriel
Assistant Professor of Sociology

Lita Little Giddins
Manager of Diversity, Collaboration, and Inclusion, College of Family, Home, and Social Sciences

Vern Heperi
Assistant to the President for Student Success and Inclusion

Carl Hernandez III
Professor of Law

Jon McBride
Associate Athletic Director for Communications and Media Strategy

Stephani Perkins
BYU Track and Field Assistant Coach

Michalyn Steele
Professor of Law


There are 8 (eight) full-page photos of BIPOC (POCBI? POCIB? CPBI? CPIB?) people currently at BYU included in the numbered pages of the report. Can I assume they prayed about this hitherto unknown acronym?

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