Listen up doubters.

Book of Mormon prophecy fulfilled right before your very eyes.

Moroni, son of Mormon, prophesied of the conditions of the world to be found in these latter-days, when the Book of Mormon was to come forth (Mormon 8: 26-41).

One of the things that he foresaw is that (32) "there shall be churches built up that shall say: Come unto me, and for your money you shall be forgiven of your sins[;]" he asks (35) " why have ye built up churches unto yourselves to get gain..." and (30) "[w]hy do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?" Furthermore (37) he chastises those that "...love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted..." warning such that (41) "the sword of vengeance hangeth over you; and the time soon cometh that he avengeth the blood of the saints upon you, for he will not suffer their cries any longer."

Moroni clearly had a vision of todays LDS Church!

The Church dots the world with Temples. Why? In the Church's words “The primary purpose of the temple is to provide the ordinances necessary for our exaltation in the celestial kingdom."

You don't get into heaven (at least the Celestial Kingdom (Mormon heaven)) unless you attend the Temple. The Ceremony explicitly says that you don't get into Heaven without knowing the secret sacred passwords and handshakes to give the angels:

"Your Endowment is, to receive all those ordinances in the House of the Lord, which are

necessary for you, to enable you to walk back to the presence of the Father, passing

the angels who stand as sentinels, being enabled to give them the key words, the signs

and the tokens, pertaining to the Holy Priesthood, and gain your eternal exaltation."

So, not to put too fine a point on it, the Temple ceremony explicitly says no entry into heaven without entry into the Temple.

How does one gain entry to the Temple? By answering a series of 10 questions asked by one's Bishop and/or Stake President, culminating with

#10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

Paying tithing (10% of one's income (gross income according to many sourses) donated to the Church) is a necessary condition for entering the Temple. So if the Temple is necessary for entering heaven, giving 10% of income is a necessary condition for entry into heaven.

At which point I pause to ask the reader to compare this to one aspect of Moroni's prophesy: "there shall be churches built up that shall say: Come unto me, and for your money you shall be forgiven of your sins."

However, an even closer fulfilment can be found for the "built up churches unto yourselves to get gain" and "...yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not..." and "love money...more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted..." parts of the prophecy.

Temples are built to facilitate necessary saving ordinances. And tithing is a necessary condition for Temple attendance; building temples guarantees income generated by tithing. Or as Moroni would state it--building Churches to get gain.

The Church has advised repeatedly, that we are to pay tithing no matter what. If we don't have rent money, food money, whatever, pay tithing first. LDS apologetic site fairlatterdaysaints, who's mission it is to defend the church against misrepresentation, accept the "tithing first" principle without any qualms.

Then President Nelson travelled to Africa, In Kenya, he told his listeners how to get out of poverty. Tithing. Tithing will break the cycle of poverty. Of you are poor, give your money to us. To the Church. To our 100 Billion Dollar Corporation.

The Church has a stock portfolio valued at over $100 000 000 000. Yes. Over 100 billion dollars. One fund in that portfolio grew by 6.2 billion dollars during the pandemic.

The Church apparently takes in about $7 Billion a year from tithing alone. I say "apparently" because the Church has not disclosed it's financial statements in the USA since 1959. So considering this lack of financial accountability, we are compelled to take the word of the Church at face value when they tell us of their charitable outreach.

In 2020, the Church reports that "[s]ince 1985, Latter-day Saint Charities and its affiliates have provided over US$2.5 billion worth of assistance in 199 countries and territories. This amount does not include the value of volunteer labor, worth many millions of dollars." And more recently, that figure "has gone up dramatically,” according to W. Christopher Waddell of the Presiding Bishopric of the Church, "[w]e’re talking close to $1 billion in that welfare/humanitarian area on an annual basis."

In 2016, LDS Apostle Dallin H. Oaks said that the Church spends about $40 million per year in humanitarian efforts. Taking Elder Oaks at face value, and accepting that the church pulls in $7 billion per year in tithing, that would equate to about 0.57% of tithing revenues being used. If we accept the 2020 estimate, $2.5 billion, divided by 35 years is about $71 million per year in humanitarian aid. Roughly 1% of tithing revenue. And if we take Bishop Wadddell's estimate of $1 Billion per year (if true, this represents a sea change for the church from the previous estimates), the amount humanitarian aid relative to tithing is now about 14.3%.

Of course, there is no way to verify these figures as we are limited to the estimates provided by the Church. The most optimistic figure is that the equivalent 14.3% of tithing is allocated to humanitarian aid. All while sitting on a $100+ Billion dollar investment fund.

Telling starving Africans to give their money to the 100 billion dollar Church corporation to get out of poverty.

Telling starving members to give their money to the 100 billion dollar Church corporation before you pay rent or feed your family.

And even the best estimates provided by the LDS Church regarding it's charity (14.3% of tithing).

It neatly fulfills Moroni's prophecy that "there shall be built up churches unto yourselves to get gain" and "...yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not..." and "love money...more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted..."

The Church of Jesus Christ? What did Jesus say on the matter?

“If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” (Matt. 19:21)

“Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys.” (Luke 12:33)

Very perceptive!
One could certainly make the case that Moroni was speaking of the Mormon Church of today.

But, then, most people think it is not allowed to criticize religion.

Did you know in the days of Jeremiah, God included a prophecy
that is just now being fulfilled?
Good old Rusty had to change the name of the church so Jeremiah's prophecy could be fulfilled. Sorry for the way the lines copied.


Jeremiah 23:20-21 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have
executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart:

In the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran:

I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

How could it be any clearer?

God, Himself saying, “I did not send the Latter Day prophets
or even speak to them.”

Or, maybe you can figure out a way to rearrange the words so they say something different?

Here's a bit of possible illumination regarding 'our' church...

There is a basis for stating that the church never revealed their income ... just their expenditures. And yes, even that ended in the mid-1950.

Here's a link to the April 1951 Conference Report, open at the page where their divulging of expenditures takes place.

(If you do visit this page, look at the previous page, bottom right, where mention of a member is made, the member having passed away. Note what they felt made him worthy of mention!)

https://archive.org/details/conferencereport1952a/page/n7/mode/2up


Then I looked at April Conference, 1900. There was no mention of financials. Lots of turgid prose, but no financials.


I checked the 1936 April Conference and it had the same layout that the 1952 Conference Report had, with just expenditures listed.

https://archive.org/details/conferencereport1936a/page/n3/mode/2up


So a casual glance into the record shows us that the church has never revealed its income. Which begs the question: why did they stop reporting the expenditures? The exmo version I'd always heard was that Henry D. Moyle almost bankrupted the church and that's what they were hiding. But if all they ever revealed was expenditures, the near bankruptcy shouldn't have been an issue.

So now I'd guess that they were beginning to spend money on things that they were worried might offend the religious purist in the flock...

It's just a thought, because it doesn't really matter; TBMs don't care and there are already so many other issues that break shelves, so this one won't make much difference in the overall scheme of things.

Have you ever noticed that the Book of Mormon, which is a fraud, still fingers its own believers as lacking and sometimes evil. All you have to really do is read some of Helaman, Moroni's prophecy you quoted, etc. The whole thing about the Rameumptom seems to be addressed to Mormons.

srichardbellrock Wrote:
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>
> Paying tithing (10% of one's income (gross income
> according to many sourses) donated to the Church)
> is a necessary condition for entering the Temple.
> So if the Temple is necessary for entering heaven,
> giving 10% of income is a necessary condition for
> entry into heaven.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xaYMdHNILw



>
> At which point I pause to ask the reader to
> compare this to one aspect of Moroni's prophesy:
> "there shall be churches built up that shall say:
> Come unto me, and for your money you shall be
> forgiven of your sins."
>
> However, an even closer fulfilment can be found
> for the "built up churches unto yourselves to get
> gain" and "...yet suffer the hungry, and the
> needy, and the naked, and the sick and the
> afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not..."
> and "love money...more than ye love the poor and
> the needy, the sick and the afflicted..." parts of
> the prophecy.
>

> It neatly fulfills Moroni's prophecy that "there
> shall be built up churches unto yourselves to get
> gain" and "...yet suffer the hungry, and the
> needy, and the naked, and the sick and the
> afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not..."
> and "love money...more than ye love the poor and
> the needy, the sick and the afflicted..."
>
> The Church of Jesus Christ? What did Jesus say on
> the matter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDhAIjF0wQI

>
> “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you
> possess and give to the poor, and you will have
> treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” (Matt.
> 19:21)
>
> “Sell your possessions, and give to the needy.
> Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow
> old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not
> fail, where no thief approaches and no moth
> destroys.” (Luke 12:33)