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Posted by: Grey ( )
Date: August 15, 2023 10:19AM

From the January 2007 Ensign:

“We are not breathlessly smitten by the Internet, nor are we in any way underestimating its possibilities,” said Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, Church leader, in a 1997 speech. “We are just moving steadily, and we think wisely, to use it along with every other way we know to communicate with each other.”

I remember thinking at the time, even the I was a tbm, that:

1. He could never have been more wrong.

2. He was incredibly arrogant

And he calls himself a prophet.

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Posted by: PHIL ( )
Date: August 15, 2023 11:14AM

I remember at the time that the Church had a mediocre web presence.
Some individual wards had some pretty good web pages that put the church to shame. A few years later the church had all the wards shut down their web pages to present a "unified" apearance.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: August 15, 2023 11:30AM

To be fair, this speech was from 1997, when a lot of people were just getting on the web. Many people didn't even have personal computers at that point. He does have quite the bombastic tone, though, doesn't he?

I can say that I was thoroughly smitten by the internet back then.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: August 15, 2023 12:17PM

Jeff Holland the apostle is so much different that Jeff Holland the university president. I worked in the administration building and saw Jeff Holland all the time. He was a happy and pleasant man then.

As an apostle he seems so miserable and angry. He looks horrible. I know he has health problems but he’s so angry and takes his anger out on the members.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: August 15, 2023 12:23PM

Maybe it’s he got to the top and saw there was nothing there. Everything he believed his whole life is wrong. Now he’s stuck. If he’s honest he alienates his family and friends and becomes the apostate apostle. It’s got to be miserable. He’s angry about something.

I think Holland busted his ass and the decoder ring said Drink More Ovaltine.

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Posted by: unconventional ( )
Date: August 15, 2023 01:00PM

Nice.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: August 15, 2023 02:41PM

I think you have hit the nail on the head. I remember him as BYU prez too. He was happy then. Clearly not so now.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: August 25, 2023 05:04PM

he had his dream job and it showed. I miss that Jeff I knew. I don't know who the current guy is.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: August 25, 2023 06:44PM

He's lost control of his life. From having watched my mom in her old age, there comes a time when you desperately want to retire. You want to sleep in, pursue your hobbies at your own pace, and enjoy your loved ones. You want to do what you want, when you want. Holland has lost that ability, and there is no amount of public adoration that can compensate for the loss of your freedom.

His only rest will be the grave, and he knows that.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 25, 2023 07:00PM

I accompanied a person on a visit to that person's father-in-law.  It was to drop something off.  The person I was with (mysterious, huh?) was not allowed to see that person's father-in-law there at the Cal Worthington House of Senility because he, the father-in-law, was on a 'time out' as a result of once again groping a nurse...and not a male nurse.

This occurred in 1980.  So, I've been carrying this special dream now for over 43 years!!!

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: August 25, 2023 07:32PM

We all have our secret ambitions, EOD. ;)

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: August 28, 2023 08:37PM

Cal Worthington. Ha! Ha!

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: August 28, 2023 08:35PM

I think you are right. Jeff is dead already. Sad.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: August 15, 2023 02:05PM

They thought/perceived:

Russia after the fall of communism would welcome missionaries with the awesome message of paying an American tax (tithing).

The internet would become the new Gabriel messenger to bring the gospel to more people around the world.

I offer no evidence or credence for this- Just maybe the church wished for a nuclear war that would annihilate the world before Y2K. The church wouldn't have to explain anything about Jesus failing to make an appearance.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/15/2023 02:05PM by messygoop.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: August 28, 2023 08:39PM

The Russian’s got baptized alright. Into the Russian Orthodox Church.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: August 22, 2023 10:49PM

Jeff Holland may have been right. The Internet has not been good for the church.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: August 23, 2023 11:13AM

bradley Wrote:
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> Jeff Holland may have been right. The Internet has
> not been good for the church.

Yep, but what a revelation it has been in the pursuit of truth!

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: August 23, 2023 12:01PM

It's sad when all you have left is bluster.

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Posted by: Bicentennial Ex ( )
Date: August 27, 2023 12:08AM

I need to clean my glasses. I read bladder, not bluster.

BcE

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Posted by: unconventional ( )
Date: August 27, 2023 04:25AM

“Success” created dishonorably? I have a relative who earned a lot of money dishonorably at the price of his soul.

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