It seems to me that there are more and more instances involving pedophiles in the mormon church. It seems like every other week, more and more lawsuits are being filed and *anyone* can be a pedophile. I'm particularly suprised at the number of LDS woman pedophiles that are turning up, like that kook in AZ and the SUV nut in CA.
What in the world is going on? Is it just a phase or a sign of more things to come thanks to the pressure the Brethren are applying in undermining the family unit? The church seems to being paying out quite a bit of $ on pedophile lawsuits, so you'd think they'd change their policies.
What are your thoughts/opinions on this whole issue?
It just burns my backside that gays are targeted as *evil* when pedophiles are running unchecked in LDS churches. It really angers me when a pedophile who is a registered sex offender is given a calling dealing with children or youth in the LDS church when a simple background check would have prevented it.
You have to be crazy to let your kid out of your sight in an LDS church or church program.
I don't believe there is an increase of pedos in TSCC or in the population in general. I think more are being reported and TSCC isn't covering up like they used to, so we're hearing more about it.
I don't think there's an increase, instead cases are being reported instead of being covered up. Unfortunately, it's going to take more lawsuits before TSCC starts full background checks before assigning "callings" where someone would be around children.
They CAN'T do background checks, and still maintain that callings are 100% divinely inspired.
If God inspires the Bishop to issue a calling, and the calling goes to a pedophile ... then isn't it obvious that God isn't inspiring anything (or that God wants a pedophile to be Sunday School President)?
Traditionally, mormon priesthood guys covered for these kinds of embarrassing transgressions. It's harder to get away with that now. So it might look like there are more because they come to light and aren't as frequently hidden.
Why are more cases surfacing? Internet. The vast and instant sources of communication at your fingertips. It would be almost impossible to hide what you do... especially if you continue to do it. Its not that being a pedophile is anything new... in fact only recently (with past 1000 years) did that become "wrong". As soon as a person start excreting pheromones he/she becomes a sexual competitor (not saying this is primary cause) its human nature.
I wonder how many adults guilty of sex abuse in the church tried to NOT accept the calling understanding their temptation? The leader is inspired - full speed ahead. I find leaders do not take well to advise. I know some advise is not useful, but some advise is very useful.
Wouldn't that be a kicker for a pedophile to be humiliated and forced into taking a calling. If the pedophile admitted his problem, then he would be excommunicated. Unbelievable.
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I remember when President Kimball said these new technologies are for the church in the last days and the church allows others to use them. The church must love the Internet now.
Hey President Packer, how is that Internet working out for you and the Church?
the internet is a fabulous genealogy tool. It's where I got to see for myself the list of Joseph smiths wives and hear what they thought about is ideas. Love the internet. It has forced the leadership to put a little more thought into their words. They have had to hire people to clean up their speeches. It turned their world upside down. Instead of them watching us, we are watching them. Awkward.
Seriously? TSCC was founded on pedophilia, other forms of child molestation, and incest. Just ask Fanny Alger. She was 14 or so when JS f***ed her. FYI - Fanny Alger (September 30, 1816 – November 29, 1889[1]) has been alleged to have been the first plural wife of Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saint Movement. Scholars have disagreed as to whether Smith's union with Alger was an early plural marriage or simply a sexual indiscretion.
Scholars have disagreed but either way, plural wide or sexual indiscretion - pedophilia!!
Technically, that makes JS a sexual predator, not a pedophile. Pedophile means you are a sick jerk who sleeps with children before they enter puberty. A sexual predator is a sick jerk who sleeps with a teenage children.
Like others I don't think there is an increase in how many there are, we are just hearing about it more. As our society is evolving to where we are no longer (for the most part) blaming the victim for their attack and more people feel comfortable coming forward. I also think that because more people in law enforcement & news see how out of control the Morg has gotten they aren't as keen to keep things covered up. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if we see a huge scandal come forth just like the Catholic Church had. You can only cover up evil deeds for so long before people start demanding justice.
Interestingly, I found out recently from a friend who is suing a local Catholic diocese over sexual abuse that SNAP--the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests--no longer focuses on Catholic priests alone. They are also pursuing cases of sexual abuse involving clergy of other faiths and even the Boy Scouts, etc. So, that shows more people of other faiths, or none, have been emboldened by the revelations about and lawsuits against the Catholic Church. I'm sure it's just a matter of time for the LDS church, JWs, etc.
Convert Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Pedophile is a word that people toss around too > much just like Fascist and Socialist. > > > A real pedo is a sick fuck who sleeps with small > children who have not yet entered puberty. > > It makes no sense to say if an adult male sleeps > with an 18 year old its cool, but if he has sex > with a girl who is 17 and 364 days old he is a > pedo. > > Please only use the word when appropriate. Pedo = > elementary school.
True. Actually, many of the cases involving Catholic priests are not pedophilia, either (though a lot are). Many cases have involved priests fooling around with males in their late teens. It's still reprehensible, though, considering the abuse of "holy" or "spiritual" authority.
I stand corrected about pedophile vs sexual predator word usage. Neither however makes JS an upstanding citizen let alone a prophet. I would not put it past him to have done girls younger than puberty age. Remember that children went through puberty at an older age back then than they do now, generally speaking.
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Pedophiles have an amazing nack for figuring out ways to be around children in order to gain access to potential victims.
I think that the LDS church is still too much of a mystery to most people, and that would include pedophiles. But if the ins-and-outs of what procedures are like in the LDS church ever do become common knowlege, some pedophiles would perhaps gravitate to it.
Not many organizations give adults such easy access to large amounts of children with such little oversight.
C. S. Lewis wrote a lot about what great camoflage Religion serves for evil people. I think if a lot of pedophiles knew just how easy it would be to get victims in the LDS church, they'd think about joining. Then when they found out how much work it took to be considered "in" enough to get a calling, they'd decide that even though it is target rich, it's just too much work.
I think that the LDS church probably has a similar distribution of pedophiles as the rest of the population.
I dont knwo I think theres much more of the more sick and determind yet smart lot.
The church the way it's set up is the perfect breeding ground and hideout.
How do adults get so much unsupervised acesss to children? Adults leave girls just into thair teen years in the bishops office alone to get very personal questions asked to them for goodness sake. I'm supprised we havent herd about a pedo bishop thats thratand all the primary and youth with eternal damnation wile he and his buddies he's called into the right positions hurt all the kids. These adults arnt checked in any way for a calling exept if they might have missed a tytheing payment.
Where utter faith and obediance is tought someone has to give the orders to be obayed and who knows who that is?