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Posted by: baneberry ( )
Date: October 24, 2015 06:44PM

Joseph got revelations on nearly anything he was asked. Members have burning questions relevant to their times and nothing. Instead, one ear ring, no facial hair, God has left them with nothing...

Trot out the essays, don't take credit, give yourselves an out and double down on status quo...

I think the instruction manual for the seer stone got lost in one of the moves. I'm sure it is packed in a box in the vault. They just need to move Laban's sword and the Liahona and it will be back there somewhere.

Prophets, seers and revelators my arse. Got their ears to the ground and missionary surges and endowment changes take the place of real revelations. How could I not see for so long?

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: October 24, 2015 06:49PM

They've modernized. Now they just issue a survey and take it from there.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: October 24, 2015 07:53PM

they're not 'surveys' anymore, they're "Focus Groups"!

the term 'survey' suggests that they actually listen/care about what members think ('believe', ha ha), and the MIGHT change something as a result; we all know that with inspiration Direct from God/Elohim/Jehovah/the H.G./Jesus Smith that surveys Aren't


necessary (expenses)

conducive to the Spirit(tm)


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/24/2015 07:59PM by GNPE.

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Posted by: azsteve ( )
Date: October 24, 2015 08:40PM

Never forget that the church essays don't reflect mormon docterines, or even mormon church beliefs. We can't allow the church to hedge their bets this way that allows them to change these stories later. The authors are anonymous. No credible writing comes from an anonymous author. The church can later say that that those authors spoke only as men. No one in the first presidency of the church has ever told us that these essays are docterine, or even church beliefs. At best, these essays are heresay. Just because something appears on a church website doesn't mean that the church will later stand by what is said in those essays.

If the prophet says "...thus saith the lord...", what he says afterward is docterine. Everything else is propaganda. Of course if god speaks and says things that are later proven wrong or politically incorrect, then maybe it wasn't god speaking after all. That is what the church is afraid of. From the prophet on down, these men know they are frauds.

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Posted by: baneberry ( )
Date: October 24, 2015 08:51PM

What is frustrating is WHO is pulling the strings? It seems like there is a "master plan" put into place by someone who still has their marbles enough to put it together and then the orders go down and viola!

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Posted by: sampsonAtard ( )
Date: October 24, 2015 10:14PM

baneberry Wrote:
> What is frustrating is WHO is pulling the strings?
> It seems like there is a "master plan" put into
> place by someone who still has their marbles
> enough to put it together and then the orders go
> down and viola!

"Conspiracy Theory's" Mel Gibson sums it all up with the line:
"A good conspiracy is an untraceable one, if ya can nail 'em, it means they screwed up."

The Masonic Puppeteers behind the scenes at Salt Lake don't recruit screw-ups.

As baneberry senses, someone out there with their hands on the strings has their marbles together.

Go after their identities, but be aware they have hit men.

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Posted by: baneberry ( )
Date: October 24, 2015 11:12PM

As long as they make it quick so I don't see it coming.

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Posted by: blind mule ( )
Date: October 24, 2015 11:07PM

Who is pulling the strings? Bureaucrats! church bureaucrats!!!

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Posted by: Historischer ( )
Date: October 25, 2015 03:14AM

Yah, especially:

The Presiding Bishopric, which could have billions hidden away from the apostles for all we know; and

The Correlation Committee, which has veto power over any conference talks by all but 4 or 5 of the senior authorities.

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Posted by: dydimus ( )
Date: October 24, 2015 11:53PM

It never was "RIGHT". See, the church Joseph Smith set up and ran in NY, Kirtland, Missouri then Nauvoo was totally lost.

Now they could either have a new restoration of the restoration (Strangites, Brighamites) or they could try to go back to the Kirtland ways Cowdrey, Rigdon tried this, it finally was the RLDS who brought it together.

signs that Brigham started a whole new church.

1) The Mormon Reformation. Making the members who arrived in SLC and the Valley get rebaptized into the church. These were mostly European Converts from England, Sweden, Norway (about 1/2 of the original converts/Mormons had stayed back in Nauvoo).

2) The Church and its corporation was dissolved by the U.S. Govt. back during the Edmunds-Tucker Act and was never put back together, but became a trademark for the Office of the Corporation of the President of the Church.

3) Dissolving and getting rid of Patriarch of the Church, council of 50, loss of the Patriarchal Priesthood, B.Y. ordaining his own sons as apostles., etc...

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Posted by: poopstone ( )
Date: October 25, 2015 02:35AM

I've always looked at it this way. BY is the real founder of mormondom. He made it actually run. Joseph was just a kid with a few good ideas, and some not so good... But Brigham organized the priesthood, set up the general authorities, and set up the hierarchy.

But ya it would be nice if the stones started communicating. Down with the bureaucrats! Financiers! the nobility, the Nights of Templar, New World Order, and Lord Rothchild!

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Posted by: praydude ( )
Date: October 25, 2015 03:33AM

The revelations stopped when the Joseph Smith died and there was no one left to feed the members magic mushroom infused sacrament wine. There is a reason why there were so many fantastical spiritual moments in the early church and then everything stopped after Smith's death.

Someone else posted that the difference between a cult and a religion is that in a cult there is one person at the top who knows its all phony, and in a religion that person is dead.

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Posted by: gannosu ( )
Date: October 25, 2015 04:47AM

I noticed that on a Mormon site it was noted that there had been a change in the introduction the essays. Apparently there had been too much complaining about the fact that the essays didn't note who wrote them:


The purpose of these essays, which have been approved by the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, has been to gather accurate information from many different sources and publications and place it in the Gospel Topics section of, where the material can more easily be accessed and studied by Church members and other interested parties."

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: October 25, 2015 05:38AM

LDS Inc is so phoney. From the top down.

What an embarrassment they are.

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Posted by: presleynfactsrock ( )
Date: October 25, 2015 01:10PM

I personally fail to see anything that is not going according to plan in SLC.........the Doofusses that run the church seem to me to be running their CON GAME just hunky-doorie.

I wonder how soon they would starve if they had to get a real job and be honest, respectable, and play fair?

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: October 25, 2015 01:50PM

The church should sell stock... But you'd have to agree that your dividends be tithed.

What TBM wouldn't trust the church to invest his money wisely?

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Posted by: bordergirl ( )
Date: October 25, 2015 05:53PM

Just ask the Baptists how trustworthy their investment section was and how much money disappeared.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: October 25, 2015 05:59PM

Yeah, but TBMs know better than to invest with Baptists!!

Plus I've changed the plan. Rather than investing to make money, TBMs can invest for Celestial Bonus Points! For every $1,000 'invested' in the church, a member gets a Celestial Bonus Point. And every April Conference, the number of Bonus Points 'purchased', and the running total of ALL the Bonus Points will be announced. And after giving these inspiring, soul stirring numbers, while the assembled crowd is murmuring approvingly, El Queso Grande will mumble the total membership number and then be helped back to his seat.

Celestial Bonus Points! Ghawd loves you, but he loves you more if you have CBPs!!!

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: October 25, 2015 02:51PM

TSCC continues by Bluff & Bluster, making promises (happiness, prosperity, eternal life, etc) that they Know they don't & cannot keep.

As long as 'the faithful' keep lapping it up, they'll continue dishing it out, only periodically, slightly modified by clarifications which are currently called 'essays'.

the Fact of the essays confirms that they've lied to the members in the past, even tho they Never promise to stop lying in the future.

the other Wonder is how far they've led the members away from Kindness, Honesty, Repentance (incl. restitution) & Forgiving, which are all Central to Christ-Like living;
they've sent in the substitutes of Earrings, Tattoos, white shirts, NO Pants for women, etc. from the sidelines, and again 'the faithful' are lapping it up, chasing after leaders' limos, etc.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/25/2015 03:35PM by GNPE.

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