RJ said:

"I had joked earlier about writing a sexual scene between Mary and Mormon's "father god, Elohim" because according to Mormonism that's EXACTLY what happened in order for Jesus to be conceived.

"...the more I thought about it, the more the actual event didn't seem quite 'haha' funny.

"Theoretically funny, but not in a way if viewed from the Mormon standpoint if one were to REALLY think about it.

"Mary was considered to be a virgin and was most likely younger. According to Mormonism's claims, she was 'overshadowed' by the spirit and then impregnated with Jesus by Elohim.

"While Mormonism may claim that god had 'sex' with Mary in order to conceive Jesus, it's not 'sex.'

"This is an incestuous relationship with a younger virgin who would have had no concept of a "Father god in flesh and bone."

"However disturbing that may seem, it is also a pretty good metaphor for a lot of Mormonism. Joseph Smith and everyone who came after him created a system where younger girls were coerced into "relationships" with the idea that they were carrying out "god's will."

"Just like Mary would have been - according to Mormonism."

Thank you for these thoughts.

I see some male posters here at times laughing and seemingly salivating about the virgin thing and the polygamy thing and the desirability of young girls and also the Mormon doctrine of unlimited young virgin wives in the CK. I always want to say that with the reality of FLDS, Warren Jeffs and his very young teenage "brides", as well as the copycat FLDS leaders, like Winston Blackmore here in Canada, who "marries" 15 year olds while in his 50s, it is not funny or admirable to desire young girls or make light of their unfortunate situation within fundamentalist Mormonism.

I'm all for freedom of choice, but with females and males at the age of majority.

I am so glad to see your heart on this question, one that considers the potential victims and not their apparent sexual appeal due to being virginal and barely post-pubescent.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2011 07:24PM by Nightingale.

Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase 'flesh and bone'.

Yesterday I was bitching about not having a clear and coherent story that actually flowed from me. I didn't sleep super well last night and woke up pretty early.

There was a doggie and a wifey both trying to snuggle me over the edge of the bed, and I wasn't going to be falling back asleep any time soon.

So I was on the board because that's what I do best, and after posting a bit it came to me that I should write a sex scene between god and Mary because that's what Mormonism preaches, and people should be SHOWN that and not just TOLD that.

At first I thought the idea was hysterical. I'm not going to lie. I was really thinking about making it so over the top because the idea of it is pretty ludicrous and over the top that it really begs for parody.

And I started writing the scene, but it just wasn't right. I couldn't get a foothold because something wasn't quite there. And I realized that if I were to do a parody of it - it would seem incredibly masculine - pornographic really.

The concept of taking a young girl and having your way with her and it being the first time. Sure, it is a pretty common male fantasy (let's all just be honest), and the scene would be spoofing off of that fantasy.

However, the more I thought about it, the more I thought what would it be like if it were "real."

The "real" version is incredibly disgusting as you've shown within my quotes.

And it's something that probably deserves some attention because I think really there is something that has to be confronted by this idea.

Joseph was an older man who took young girls and coerced them into copulation through "spiritual/emotional" abuse. This is the truth of his polygamy.

And the practice continues on today.

If we were just talking about consensual adults - it would be different. But these were men in positions of power within their communities who fulfilled sexual fantasies with younger girls through the abuse of their power.

And then they institutionalized it.

Sorry to ramble, and I'm not sure if my draft did all of these thoughts justice - but, that's what came out of my brain today.

I've had a few drinks ahead of our Easter Sunday turkey dinner. So I really can't make a serious post, at least not coherently.

But rj, you've brought up a topic I've been wanting to post about.

People joke about this quite often (men people) but I think it's that they don't think it through.

Knowing the reality of the "child brides" of JS-style polygamy, I don't see anything funny in it.

rj said:

"Joseph was an older man who took young girls and coerced them into copulation through "spiritual/emotional" abuse. This is the truth of his polygamy.

"And the practice continues on today.

"If we were just talking about consensual adults - it would be different. But these were men in positions of power within their communities who fulfilled sexual fantasies with younger girls through the abuse of their power.

"And then they institutionalized it."

Exactly.

rj:
"Sorry to ramble, and I'm not sure if my draft did all of these thoughts justice - but, that's what came out of my brain today."

Good product, I'd say.

Nothing funny about coercion, underage or not.

I hope more exmos will get intense about the reality of the true "legacy" of JS and his abusive "principle" of so-called eternal "marriage".

There is nothing funny or sexually healthy about salivating over young girls.

I hope as exmos we will model this more.

>Nightingale on Easter Sunday
>a bit pie-eyed with the wine accompanying our big meal :)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2011 08:21PM by Nightingale.

Well thanks for the chew-out there Nightingale...it was the Nightingale and not the Lark that pierced the fearful hollow of mine ear.

You wrote, "I see some male posters here at times laughing and seemingly salivating about the virgin thing and the polygamy thing and the desirability of young girls and also the Mormon doctrine of unlimited young virgin wives in the CK."

Yes, us evil males. Personally, polygamy has always been a problem for me, and was one of the BIGGEST factors in me deciding mormonism was a hoax. I found the doctrine repulsive, and I think most males here do.

Sure male posters joke about the idea, but don't the female posters here do the same?

In fact, Tahoe Girl posted a sarcastic post about polygamy just yesterday "Congratulate me! I have a new eternal sister-wife!" http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,175826.

Sometimes joking is part of recovering.

Do I find the Mormon doctrine of the Virgin Mary not being a virgin funny? In some ways, yes. If it actually occurred, then OF COURSE it wouldn’t be funny at all—-it would be incest, and it would show that gawd is a total dirt-bag. But in some ways I do find this doctrine funny. This is because Mormons actually buy this shit. In some ways I bought this shit. So let me laugh at them—-hell, let me laugh at myself. I’m recovering, NOT salivating.

With that said, I absolutely agree with RJ’s post. This doctrine shows a part of the early leaders of Mormondumb’s psychology. It was and is about obedience in Mormonism. Even if what is being obeyed is something that is completely unethical and disgustingly wrong. I’m glad raptorjesus wrote what he did. I’m glad people on here write stuff like what he wrote.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2011 08:57PM by Freevolved.

No worries. I wasn't targeting any one specific poster with my comments. It's just that I'm very focused on the FLDS style polygamy and how it hurts young people, female and male and so I notice the times that guys relish the idea in particularly unappealing ways.

Recovery I'm all for. Salivating not so much.

I understand that leaving Mormonism and "recovering" is a process and that everyone has their own crosses to bear, so to speak.

We all have blind spots to uncover and overcome.

I hope it's true that most exmo males find the doctrine of polygamy unappealing and worse. It's never about "sex" when it's females being abused, even theoretically.

Absolutely I agree that humour is a big part of recovery.

It's just that sometimes there's a clash over what is funny to one and over the line to another. I don't generally find anything about fundamentalist polygamy to be funny.

The fact that men find females fascinating, sexy and appealing does not "evil males" make. The Jeffs and Blackmore style of relating to females - yeah, I object to that.

I appreciate your efforts to work these things through and "recover". Carry on. :)

Mormon polygamy is both hysterical and utterly unfunny.