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Posted by: Elder George Carlin ( )
Date: May 14, 2011 04:02PM

"I wanted all things to seem to make some sense,
So we could all be happy, yes, instead of tense.
And I made up lies, so they all fit nice,
and I made this sad world a paradise."
- Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without a Country

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: May 14, 2011 04:25PM

It seemed like he was telling us the gems he had learned. He was so funny and insightful.

That quote goes along with Bertrand Russell's quote:

Do not feel envious of the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise, for only a fool will think that is happiness.

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Posted by: knotheadusc ( )
Date: May 14, 2011 04:31PM

I am a Vonnegut fan, too... almost as much as I am a Carlin fan.

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Posted by: hello ( )
Date: May 15, 2011 04:27AM

Me too-lifelong fan, of both ...

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Posted by: cludgie ( )
Date: May 15, 2011 09:16AM


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Posted by: Don Bagley ( )
Date: May 14, 2011 07:03PM

Kurt Vonnegut got closer to enlightenment than any Mormon. His books broadened my world-view. No Mormon text ever expanded my mind.

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Posted by: snb ( )
Date: May 15, 2011 11:37AM

I'm not a huge Vonnegut fan. I read almost everything he wrote, just to see what it was all about. However, maybe I should re-examine him. That poem just rocked my world a little bit.

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Posted by: Elder George Carlin ( )
Date: May 15, 2011 11:49AM

...until I read "A Man Without A Country". I recommend checking it out. He talks about his own history and views. It's fascinating.

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Posted by: jpt ( )
Date: May 15, 2011 11:41AM

By this fraud have I won me, year by year,
A hundred marks, since I've been pardoner.
I stand up like a scholar in pulpit,
And when the ignorant people all do sit,
I preach, as you have heard me say before,
And tell a hundred false japes, less or more.

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Posted by: Elder George Carlin ( )
Date: May 15, 2011 12:02PM

I think that what made me a good missionary, also fueled my desire to vigorously study Mormon history, try and objectively weigh both sides of the issues, and is what ultimately made me want to leave.

I also appreciate the following saying, because it reminds me of the young, idealistic, and naive missionary I was 20 years ago. I believed it all, although I felt uncomfortable about many aspects of the dogma. When my religious views met with reality, I determined that for me to stay in the church meant me becoming a hypocrite of what I knew...and I didn't want to be one.

"The hypocrite's crime is that he bears false witness against himself. What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core.
- Hannah Arendt, On Revolution, 1963

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