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Posted by: BeenThereDunnThatExMo ( )
Date: May 31, 2011 01:15PM
With Deference 2 Gilgamesh's "Translation Completed" Thread...We ExMo's Better Stop Saying "Nobody" Ever Saw The Golden Plates...

...if the Harris / Dille interview is legit.

Dang! That's been one of my favorite come-backs to TBM's about their sacred BOM being "dictated" out of a Hat with a rock versus "translated" by looking at the G-Plates.

Or so it seems to me...

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Posted by: Rebeckah ( )
Date: May 31, 2011 01:17PM
Harris is not the most reliable witness.

After all, Jesus walked with him once in the form of a deer too.

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Posted by: Makurosu ( )
Date: May 31, 2011 01:28PM
We can always say that Smith translated the BoM using the same rock he used in his money digging scam.

Martin Harris said so, and he's one of the Mormon Three Witnesses, so Mormons have to accept him as a valid witness.

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/sermons_talks_interviews/harrisinterviewtiffanysmonthly.htm

It's unwise to assume that something never happened because a bunch of liars never said it did. Better to talk about what they did say and let them hang themselves.

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Posted by: BeenThereDunnThatExMo ( )
Date: May 31, 2011 02:10PM
Thanks 4 That Great Link Mak! (n/t)


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Posted by: Puli ( )
Date: May 31, 2011 02:23PM
After the first 133 pages of "translation" were lost ...

As I recall, Martin Harris's wife who was no fan of Joseph Smith - she was discounted to be jealous of the money Harris was putting into Joseph "translation" project - took the first 133 pages (or there about) of "translation" claiming that Joseph should be able to reproduce the "translation" and compare it to the previous effort for correctness. As a consequence, supposedly, for having lost these pages, God suspended the "translation" process and took the Urim and the Thummim set as spectacles back from Smith. When the "translation" was resumed, Joseph used his magic seer stone he used as a money digger and no farther mentioned was made of Urim and the Thummim spectacles supposedly found with the gold plates.

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Posted by: ExMormonRon ( )
Date: May 31, 2011 01:33PM
Re: With Deference 2 Gilgamesh's "Translation Completed" Thread...We ExMo's Better Stop Saying "Nobody" Ever Saw The Golden Plates...

Not hardly. Both Joe and Brigham declared that Martin Harris was a "...lying, deceiving cheat of a man who is not in his right mind and should be totally discounted..". So, he doesn't count in my mind.

Just sayin'...

Ron

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Posted by: Makurosu ( )
Date: May 31, 2011 01:44PM
They were probably speaking as men. ;) (n/t)


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