Damn! I loved Joey Bishop. Him and Frank and Dean, they were the bomb. Can't believe he'd do this. Oh, wait.... Joey Bishop smoked and drank. Couldn't be a righteous mormon guy like Joseph Bishop.The church needs to get out of protection mode and into prosecutorial mode.
(Marty Lee Dreiwitz:) "What is the appeal of Joey Bishop? I mean, the man's not funny. I know funny, and he's not funny. Don't get me wrong. He seems like a nice guy, but my father's a nice guy and he's not funny either. Joey Bishop. I wish someone would explain this one to me."
That is a very slick release. The church must be pleased.
It starts by minimizing Joseph Bishop's connection with the church by stating that he is a "former" mission president. That is true, but I think he was a mission president two or three times--meaning he was definitely an insider and received the second anointing.
The key paragraph is the following. It discredits the accuser and distances the church from the crimes.
"This matter was brought to the attention of the Church in 2010, when this former Church member, who served briefly as a missionary in 1984, told leaders of the Pleasant Grove Utah West Stake that she had been sexually assaulted by the president of the Provo Missionary Training Center, Joseph Bishop, 25 years earlier. They listened carefully to the claims being made and then this was immediately reported to the Pleasant Grove Police Department, and the police interviewed her at that time. The Church does not know what she said in that interview, but the Church received no further communication from the police concerning the matter.
Reading between the lines, the accuser (not victim) is not a Mormon anymore (unfaithful), was only a missionary for a brief while (unfaithful), and didn't make her claims until 25 years after the event (her claims are not credible). The church "listened carefully" (we really care) and immediately referred it to the police (it ain't our responsibility).
Those same notes are hit again in other parts of the release. The woman is not a "victim" or even a "person," but rather "this individual." Is there a more direct way to say that "this individual" is somehow tainted or dirty, not worthy of being discussed in polite society?
And how about this? "The Church, as a religious organization (First Amendment), does not have the investigative tools available to law enforcement agencies (we receive no inspiration). Nor can the Church substitute for the courts in adjudicating legal claims (not our job). The Church has great faith in the judicial system to determine the truth of these claims (not our job).
So all in all, the release conveys the right messages--from the church's point of view. It also disavows any inspiration and any responsibility, demeans the woman making the accusations, and shifts the onus to the police.
...and since 25+ years had passed, and the statute of limitations was up, they knew there would be no police/judicial action.
Hey, mormon church: how is it that in THIS case, you push off all responsibility for investigation and determining "guilt" onto the police (when you know damn well the statute of limitations applies), but when somebody puts up a web site critical of your truth claims, you act independently, without the cops, and take "disciplinary" action directly?
As a victim of sexual abuse wanting to know that my abuser was sorry and some sort of retaliation happened would have been nice.
In looking him up he went on to molest more, be a webmaster for a site dedicated to "boy love" and remain free from the law after a couple of small stints in prison.
Getting the church to help with this kind of stuff is living on a prayer that will never come true.
Church is never more represented than in the deluded Jefferey Holland. He has claimed Mormon truth is more real than reality.
Why should I be surprised? I actually didn't expect them to reply or maybe I hoped they wouldn't as it is always "not our fault." In this situation, it was "the individual's" fault. She is nothing. When you deal with this kind of attitude, it is really difficult to take. It shows how much the worth of a soul really is. Only their souls are worth anything. Not our's.
AND if it happened, she probably tempted him. It is her job to keep the men in line.
Then why do they tell the women to divorce husbands who have a porn "addiction?" Why don't they tell those women that their husband has a porn addiction because they don't give them enough sex? After all, that is why my husband cheated with other men is because I didn't give him enough sex.
They always find a way to twist it around to make it seem as though the victim is the problem. Couldn't possibly be THEM could it? They are so holy after all.
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Keeping alive the long tradition of minimizing the offended and pretending they hardly knew him...joe and Briggs were quite good at this game for being unpolished hicks...Cretin mckonkie with Darth oaks leading the charge are definitely skilled at this game...just how jeebus would want his one true church and law firm to be...wasn't it Martha brother ton and nancy rig don who didn't wish to play couch rugby with joe...who had their reputations besmirched in the press??
> > ...and then this was immediately reported to > the Pleasant Grove Police Department, and the > police interviewed her at that time. The Church > does not know what she said in that interview, > but the Church received no further communication > from the police... >
If you were an employer and you passed along a report of wrong doing to the police about a former employee, why would you expect the police to keep you in the loop? They make it sound as if the lack of a response from police is indicative of innocence.
I wondered further whether they weren't a little bit miffed at NOT being kept in the loop. After all, they are the ONE TRUE CHURCH (sic) and this happened in Utah...
"These allegations are very serious and deeply disturbing. If the allegations of sexual assault are true, it would be a tragic betrayal of our standards...."
...which include singing the praises of a pedophile cuckold bull who abused his power and authority over his followers to exploit them, by raping their wives and teenage daughters.
If you make room for that in your mind, overlooking some Mission President who felt entitled to a little side action is nothing.
I encourage any Mormon who's been victimized sexually as a member of the abusive Doomsday Sex CULT of Joseph's Myth to get ahold of Tim Kosnoff in Seattle. He made at least 5 of my childhood friends millionaires and more are going to come forward at some point and sue this MF'ing Cult for every GD penny it's worth. I hope the outrage turns into action. Sue the MF'ers! For MILLIONS!!!! Nothing they will pay for more than getting their names off of the cover of a newspaper or HuffPo!
From what I gather, this victim suffered a nervous breakdown after the rape. She delayed her mission for quite some time and was then pressured to lie that she was raped in a parking lot [off church property] instead of the MTC president.
The disgusting details in the interview reveal how this young woman was targeted and then groomed by the predator. It is appalling how he built up her trust only to destroy her dignity.
..and then this was immediately reported to > the Pleasant Grove Police Department, and the > police interviewed her at that time. The Church > does not know what she said in that interview, > but the Church received no further communication > from the police...
A police report is a public record and easily verifiable. of course the report is only as good as the officer that wrote it and investigated the matter. I really feel bad for this lady she was spiritually abused and it sounds like her personal life has been turned upside down. I hope justice prevails for her.
> A police report is a public record and easily > verifiable. of course the report is only as good > as the officer that wrote it and investigated the > matter.
Totally agree!
Off topic here, but many years ago my ex-wife got into an accident. The other driver was in the process of making an illegal turn, suddenly making a right hand turn from the left hand turn lane, and my ex, in a Honda Civic, hit the back right corner of his pickup truck. My ex got the names, addresses and phone numbers and statements of four witnesses to the accident, and one of them had a camera and took a few pictures of the damage. The police officer on scene took notes, interviewed the witnesses and took names and phone numbers. We did all the insurance stuff and that was the last we heard of it for about four months.
Then we received a certified letter from an attorney demanding that we pay nearly $5,000 in damage for the other driver's truck. Included was a copy of the police report. The official police report claimed there were no witnesses to the accident (not true - we had copies of statements, names, addresses, phone numbers, and pictures of the damage), that my ex was an uninsured driver (blatantly not true), and that the damage to the truck was in a different location and not at all consistent with the photographs. We made copies of all the information, including our insurance information, and sent it back via certified mail with a letter stating that as we had four witnesses who were willing to go on the record, photographs of the accident, and proof of insurance at the time of the accident, clearly the police report was falsified and we had no intention of making any payments. Fortunately we never heard anything again. But I was shocked at how falsified the officer's official report had been. And yes, we got our own copy of the report from the police department so we know it was the official report. But it was clear to me from that point on that official police reports need to be taken with a grain of salt.
If the LDS Church was smart they'd condemn this kind of abuse in the strongest possible terms. I'm so glad more and more people are seeing through the ruse and recognizing this hateful organization for what it is!
This was not some random priesthood holder, or even just a bishop, this was *the head of the MTC.* He held a very high position in the Mormon church. He was a powerful person in the church.
If you think about it, thousands, even tens of thousands of missionaries pass through the MTC every year -- young men and women who are in many cases leaving home for the first time. The MTC president is in charge of as many young people as a university president.
Could you imagine a former university president in the same boat without the alumni collectively screaming for blood and accountability? I can't.