and future, why does he even bother to get up in the mornings?
If mormon ghawd is continually involved in the procreation of new spirit children, while at the same time knowing how each of his trillions and quadrillion children will act until the end of eternity, why is he bothering to test them, or me?
This bullcrap about 'so we'll know he was right' doesn't fly!
If mormon ghawd has the power to name and appreciate every atom in the entire universe, and know its beginning, middle, and end, how has he not gone insane with boredom?
For most of us, learning and growing in knowledge and skill makes life engaging and interesting. So again, what's in it for mormon ghawd, now that there's nothing he doesn't know and can't do?
I used to suppose that it was all about being in the best club, of having the letterman's jacket to end all lettermen's jackets, with guys/ghawds of older classes having more prestige than the young guys/ghawds. But they'd know exactly all that you know, and vice-versa!
You know what? I don't want to be a ghawd. Screw that! I'll take being fallible. Fallibles have more fun!
"If mormon ghawd is continually involved in the procreation of new spirit children, while at the same time knowing how each of his trillions and quadrillion children will act until the end of eternity, why is he bothering to test them, or me?"
Well, there must have been a point where he had eternal erectile dysfunction or all the spirit wives were past eternal menopause. Because if he were still involved in the procreation of new spirit children:
1) Why were we told that there was a finite number of spirit babies waiting to come to Earth and if the mormons didn't give birth to them, they'd have to go to unfaithful people and ruin their chances of returning to heaven. And,
2) If that's not the case and they're still being born, why weren't they allowed to participate in the war in heaven? Why didn't they get to choose who they wanted to follow, Satan or Jebus?
3) Does God know who is and isn't going to be dumb enough to fall for crap like that?
If Mormon gawd knows everything, why doesn't it share relevant info with the profit? Surely, working harder and not looking at porn can't be the sum total of eternal wisdom. But maybe he is too bored to make the effort? After all, mormon gawd was once a man like us and got to be a god through perfect obedience, so if he gets bored it's probably due to not having anyone to report to.
If mormongawd knows everything from the end to the beginning, then it must know that all Mormon men who qualify will become gods of their own worlds (recently disavowed to cut down on competition), and that it isn't worth it to try any more.
Heavenly Father was a dentist on his previous "mortal body" planet, so he doesn't really know that much except what he remembers from priesthood meetings and the Book of Mormon--which *may* have been called the Book of...Something Else in the Pure Adamic Language of the other planet...
a tbm would likely respond that everyone is capable of a better life and a better character than they presently have, so Gawd refines his creation, no matter who it is, in a fiery-furnace-of-affliction to teach them patience and faith.
elderolddog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I say mormon ghawd is a total crock.
I say it is more than mere Mormon god...
The requirement for a personal god is that this being knows me better than I know myself. They are somehow in this moment with me and outside of it at the same time in their ability to be in other people's moments as well at the same time. Parallel processing at a super being level ok.
But wait, this being be creating everything (or our little area of it) pre-exists the systems I exist in so they are really outside my existence.
Therefore I have a being outside my system of being but understands it having created it and understands me better than I understand myself a creature bound to it with no ability to understand what is outside of it including this being.
Mormonism tries to connect this being to me through "living a mortal existence" "like me" but that doesn't cut it. Those are experiences outside my present system of being. I literally have no ability to perceive something outside of my system. I'm not a god. I would have to be to see a god and have a personal relationship with one.
Read Edwin Abbott's "Flatland" to see how impossible this would be.
See this is a good posting. A little bit of rational thought will kill the existence of a god.
Did Jesus really suffer all things? Did a pedophile rape him?
If god knows everything, and he got so upset at Sadam and Gamorah, why didn't he fire bomb himself?
How the heck will a God account for all the religions that were wacky and committed terrible crimes on humanity be held accountable, or not. Didn't god create satan and all the contention between the races and religions?
This is the exact point, God create all suffering and the terrible things of life. Talk about a sadomasochist.
If you want people to cough up as much dough as possible, you have to claim some world class bullsh!t. Promise people that if they pay a full tithe they will not just live with ghad, but they can become as powerful as ghad. That is top shelf, world class bullsh!t.
elderolddog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wonder if there are 'places' where the person > who learns "everything" just simply shares that > "everything" with everyone else? > > Why not? It's not like that person would need > that edge of knowing everything in order to make a > living or impress the opposite sex or sexes...
I always thought the afterlife would have such places but probably not.
Maybe God is like a cat who rests like a sphinx and doesn't think or worry about a darned thing. The cat just sits there in the present moment and just *is*. Have you ever seen a cat look bored? I haven't.
when I'd hear talks about God knows whether we will succeed or fail. I remember a talk where they said that the 4th and 5th generations will be the ones who fall away and I was DETERMINED that I would not fall away. I was going to prove to God no matter what he thought he knew about me that I would endure to the end.