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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: August 08, 2018 10:55PM

As implied in the book "Fifteen Years Among The Mormons"

https://archive.org/details/fifteenyearsamo01greegoog

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: August 08, 2018 11:57PM

That's an amazing find.

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Posted by: midwestanon ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 12:03AM

*Sounds of temple attendees quietly undoing their pantaloons*



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Posted by: GNPE1 ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 12:08AM

Nudity OK, but:

How were sex partners chosen???

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 08:44AM

By the power of discernment...the holiest of ghosties let the men know who they should share celestial glory with!

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Posted by: William Law ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 12:41AM

I read this book several years ago. It's really amazing.

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Posted by: schweizerkind ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 01:20PM

Could be.

But-color-me-skeptical-ly yrs,

S

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Posted by: saucie ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 03:16PM

same here schweizerkind... I've been out for years now and

thats the first I've heard of it.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 03:23PM

Color me skeptical as well.

We know a lot of dirty secrets from the early church and it seems strange to believe that such a big one would escape notice by people like Quinn.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 04:47PM

Seems it hasn't escaped the notice of others, though...there's even a more modern book detailing the history of nudity in mormon temple rituals!

https://www.jstor.org/stable/44368772?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 05:14PM

Nudity, yes. We know that the original washings were done in a bathtub filled with whiskey, don't we? Plus there was "nudity," discounting the poncho, in the temple as recently as a few decades ago.

I'm not questioning that, just the sexual accusations. I haven't heard of that before.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 07:05PM

I see.

I've heard of the sexual allegations before.
And, frankly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they were factual. Especially in Kirtland/Nauvoo.

It's just that there's precious little (other than the book mentioned in the OP) to back them up. So we mostly just have to guess...:)

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 07:58PM

Yeah, I agree.

I just think that there were a lot of people in the early church who left in anger and revealed a lot of stuff. And the best historians have evaluated and published the results.

The closest I have seen to evidence of sex in the temple is the FLDS temple, and there are enough elements of that pattern (the presence of multiple women) that seem non-mainstream-Mormon to leave me inclined to disbelieve they were part of the early church.

My impression of the Kirtland and Nauvoo periods is that the temple ran mainly like a frat party with considerable drinking, boisterousness, and swearing. It could be that there was more going on, but that would seem incompatible (given my admittedly limited knowledge).

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 08:39PM

The implication by the author is at the end of the description of the temple ceremony. It sounds like a sex act performed in the nude -- at least that is what is alluded to.


CHAPTER IV.



ENDOWMENTS.



By early winter, the "upper rooms" of the Temple, set
apart for the mysteries of the Endowments were finished,
and the persons in the different quorums accounted worthy,
were sent for, to receive the "fullness of that blessing."

None but those of approved integrity, and of undoubted
orthodoxy, who have paid their "tithing," can travel this
"Mormon road to Heaven," as it is called. This "tithing,"
in its fullest sense, implies a tenth of all one's property
and income, and one-tenth of the time to be spent in labor
on the public works, or money to hire a substitute.

There are many things about these initiations which I do
not feel at liberty to disclose, as I have received them as
religious mysteries, at a time I believed they were true —
when I knew no other religion. Indeed, my whole know-
ledge of religion, until within a few months, has been associ-
ated with these ceremonies, as opening the only road to
heaven. They have taught me to believe my chief duties
as a woman, in this life, consisted in having a great many
children ; and my prospect for happiness and "exaltation"
in the next world, to be greatly enhanced, by being one of
many fruitful wives of one man ; and that even my salvation
depended upon the pleasure of the Prophet, or on that of a
spiritual husband, and I had never heard a true account of
that beautiful story of a free salvation through Christ, of
which I am now anxious to know more.

Those things in the following ceremonies, which I have
neglected to disclose, are such as, while they would only
gratify the morbid curiosity of some readers, and offend the
good taste of others, are forever sealed within my own breast
by a solemn obligation of secrecy, and must so remain until
I can see how their disclosure can contribute to the public
good: a reason for silence on those points, which all con-
scientious people will, I think, duly appreciate; and yet I
am free to acknowledge, that I have had some difficulty in
settling with my conscience the exact point at which my dis-
closures should end; and the difficulty has not been lessened
by the instruction and advice kindly given me by several dis-
tinguished ministers of the Gospel, that I ought to feel
myself at liberty to make an unreserved disclosure of the
whole matter. I have, however, thought it safest to give my
conscience the benefit of the doubt, where there has been
any question as to what I ought to do; and hence the follow-
ing is all I have to disclose upon this part of Mormonism at
present:

My husband, who was a member of the fourth "Quorum
of Seventies," and myself, were called to the Temple to re-
ceive our "Endowments."

We ascended the first stair, at the head of which Brigham
Young met us. He took me by both hands, and led me to a
door at the left, and whispering in my ear a pass-word, left
me to go in, and afterwards did the same with my husband,
who was directed to enter a door at the right.
The room I had entered was nearly filled with women: no
men were in this room; and no women were in the room at
the right, where Wallace had entered. Here we were un-
dressed and washed in a large tub of warm water, by a woman
who is "ordained" to that office, and then anointed with
"consecrated oil," by another woman, also "ordained" for
that particular duty.

Two high priests were in an adjoining room, consecrating
this oil, and handing the same into both rooms as it was
needed, which was poured from a horn over our heads, and a
lengthy prayer was then said over us. Every part of the
body being in turn the special subject of this prayer, that we
might become as little children, even as Adam and Eve were
when placed in the Garden of Eden, and many other matters
of a similar bearing, which I cannot now recollect, although
I witnessed the ceremony many times afterwards.

We were then dressed with a white night-gown and skirt,
and shoes of bleached drilling, and with our hair loose and
dripping with consecrated oil, each received a new name, and
were instructed that we were never to pronounce this name
on earth but once: and that, when we came to enter within
the "Veil" hereafter described.

The same process is gone through with in the men's wash-
ing-room, except that they wore nothing but shirt and draw-
ers, and when all was ready in both rooms, each party was
piloted by one of their own sex into a common room, fitted
up to represent, and called the Garden of Eden. On this
occasion there were about forty persons of both sexes. The
room into which we were taken was very large, the walls
were hung with white muslin, and was fitted up with boxes,
containing a great variety of trees, designed to represent the
Garden of Eden. All the trees were in life, and presented a
very fine appearance, and we were marched round the room
among them in slow and solemn procession.

It is required that each candidate be perfectly clean in
dress and person, and a filthy thing is here regarded an
abomination.

A circumstance happened at this initiation which will
illustrate how readily propriety is sacrificed to their ideas of
orthodoxy. It appears that a large Irishman, who, though a
good Mormon, had not lost his native propensity to "bulls,"
had come into the wash-room for his "Endowments," either
thoughtlessly or ignorantly, with shirt and drawers not over
dean. He had, however, put on a clean "dickey," but this
would not pass after his anointing, and being the last one
washed, and the procession ready to move into the Garden
of Eden, he threw on his clean dickey, and marched in and
received, to use his own words, "Me Endowments, with nary
an onclane rag abute me," having on, in fact, nothing but his
dickey.

But to continue. The first thing we saw in the centre of
the "Garden" was the "devil," dressed in black muslin, in
conversation with " Eve," the latter being tempted to partake
of the forbidden "fruit," to which she finally yielded. Eve
then went to Adam, with an offer of the "fruit," who, after
much resistance, "be likewise fell;" whereupon the "Lord"
came into the "Garden," with a glittering white robe, be-
spangled with every kind of brilliants that could send back a
flash of light, from whose face Adam, and Eve, and the
"Tempter" fled away, hiding among the trees; but finally
the first two confessed their "crime," and the "Lord" pro-
nounced a curse upon them and upon their race, copied from
Genesis, and the devil crawled out of sight upon his face.
The Lord then put aprons upon Adam and Eve, and upon us
all, made of white linen, illustrated by means of green silk,
to represent fig-leaves. We were then led out again, each
to our respective rooms, and thus ended the "first glory."

I deem it proper, and a duty I owe my sex, to hand dawn
to infamy the names of the women I have seen not only then,
but since, represent "Eve" in the "Garden of Eden," the
more so, because the persona whose names I am about to
mention appear to have performed it willingly and with "pleasure."

Eliza Snow, who was one of the wives of the Prophet
Joseph, and now a wife of Brigham Young "for time," as
it is termed, which means she will be Joseph's wife again in
heaven, performed this part more than any other woman.
Now at fifty years of age, she is even yet very beautiful, and
she may be said to perform infamously well. I have also
seen Mrs. Buel, mentioned heretofore, do the same. She is
the woman whose husband lived at Lima, Ill., when Joseph
seduced her from him. I have also seen Mrs. Knowlton in
the same capacity. She is the mother of my brother How-
ard's wife, Martha.

Martha is a good and pure woman, and will not submit to
the double wife practice although she is forced to acknow-
ledge, in common with all Mormon women, that it is right
in principle each week when she is questioned, as they all
are, by the "teachers." When my brother Howard one time
brought home another wife, Martha fought her out of the
house, and he was forced to console himself with one. But
when I left Salt Lake last year, he was courting two sisters
whom he intended to take home, thinking they would to-
gether be able to hold the balance of power in Martha's
household. I presume she will in the end submit, as that
is sure to be the fate of most Mormon women.

"Satan" is generally represented by Judge Phelps, for
whom I have no words sufficiently hateful. Levi Hancock
also often performed the same. And "Adam" by Orson
Hyde and Parley P. Pratt I have no doubt but these cha-
racters have been represented by others, but these are the
persons who generally do it. The whole room was hung
with white cloth, and behind one side of the "Garden of
Eden" there was no wall but the curtain, with an arrange-
ment of "peep-holes," where Mormons who have before taken
their Endowments may witness it again. Brigham Young
was in the practice of sending for various ones among the
women to that room, where he examined them as to their
pass-words and grips, and forced them to witness again the
"temptation." I was often sent for afterwards at Salt Lake
on such occasions.

The character of the "Lord" was always represented by
"Brother Brigham," if he could possibly be there--if not,
deputized some one; but Brigham never played the "Devil"
or "Adam" on these occasions.

I think I need not inform my readers how heartily the
women mentioned as "Eves" at these infernal rites were in
secret despised and hated bj the great mass of the Mormon
women: especially Eliza Snow. Though forced to treat them
well in society there, I take pleasure in letting them know
the opinion that obtained among their own sex, and which
would have found an expression of universal disgust from
those of their associates, if it were not crushed into silence
by the overshadowing power of the Prophet.

We were now undressed again, and each put on the "gar-
ment," which is so arranged as to form a whole suit at once;
and the "robe," which is a strip of white muslin, say three-
fourths of a yard wide, and long enough to reach to the feet,
gathered in the middle, and tied by a bow, to the left shoul-
der, and brought across the body, and the edges fastened to-
gether on the right side, with a belt around the waist of the
same. Over this was put the apron we had received in the
"first glory;" and the women wore what is called a veil,
made of a large piece of book muslin, reaching nearly to the
floor, and gathered up at one corner to fit the head. The
men wore a kind of turban, made of the same material, other-
wise men and women were dressed alike. Thus disguised,
it was quite impossible for us to recognize each other.

We were next led into what is called the Terrestrial Glory ;
where Brigham Young received us, and after a long effort to
explain the disgusting scene in the "Garden," as necessary to
our future exaltation, he gave each a pass-woxd and grip
necessary, he said, to admit us into the "Celestial Glory;"
where our (i.e.Mormon) "god" dwells. Some say this is
Adam; and some that Joe Smith is to be our "god," and
afterwards, Brigham Young intimated, that he (Brigham),
was the medium of our salvation, and that Joseph was his
"god." They do not all agree upon this point; but they do
agree upon another thing, and that is: that there are many
gods, and they do not acknowledge the one Triune God of
the Bible, but that every man will sometime be a "god;"
and that women are to be the ornaments of his kingdom, and
dependent upon him for resurrection and salvation; and that
our salvation is dependent upon the recollection of these pass-
words; that when we get to Heaven, these pass-words will
open the door to us if we can recollect them; but even then,
Brigham's permission is necessary before the women can en-
ter. The absolute truth of which theory I have never doubted
until within a few months.

From this we pass, after being armed with the pass-words
and grips, to another room, where is an altar, before which,
if any wish, they are "sealed" — that is married. The name of
this I do not recollect, but it is the third "Glory." We
arrived finally, where a veil separated us from the "Celestial
Glory." A man behind the veil examined us, as to the pass-
words and grips Brigham had given us, and to whom we gave
our "new name," received at the first anointing. Holes
through the veil enabled him to see us when we could not see
him, and also, to cut with a small pair of scissors, certain
marks, beside others, the Masonic square and compass, upon
the right and left breast of our " garments," and upon the
right knee, a gash, deep enough to make a scar, by which «re
were to be recognized as Mormons. This gash upon the right
biee is now often omitted, because many of the women ob-
ject to it. We were then admitted into the "Celestial Glory,"
where, seated upon a throne, in great state, was a person
representing "our god." This was a gorgeously furnished
room, illustrating by earthly signs a heavenly glory. This
ends the first "anointing."

The time occupied in this initiation is about ten hours.
Two days in the week are set apart for this purpose, and
sometimes group after group succeeds each other, and the ini-
tiation is continued all day, and not unfrequently long after
midnight.

Arrived at this point, the candidate is prepared to pro-
ceed to the "second anointing." This I have never received,
and for various reasons, not the least of which was, that very
few have received this as yet, and will not until the new
temple at Salt Lake city is finished. I had also heard it
hinted, that the "second anointing" was administered
without clothing of any kind; and moreover, as it will be
seen hereafter, I had reason to doubt somewhat, though not
entirely to discard Mormonism.

It was a noticeable feature, that the outside show of some
of the regalia and furniture connected with these *' Endow-
ments," were made to conform to those of Masonry; and
Mormons are anxious to have the "Gentiles" associate all
they know of these beastly "Endowments," with Masonry, or
as being a modified form of it, made eligible to women, as a
blind to cover the real objects of this "Institution;" and I

have noticed by the public prints, since my arrival in the
States, that this was the opinion entertained among those
"Gentiles" supposed to be best informed upon this subject.
But this is but a mere blind; and the real object of these
mystic forms is no way connected with, or borrowed from
Masonry. Now, in conclusion of my disclosures upon this
part of my subject, associated as it is with hateful memories
of that peculiar kind, most distasteful to the recollection of a
pure woman, I deem it my duty, in compensation for what
I have felt compelled to omit of the foregoing, especially of
that never to be forgotten scene in the "Garden of Eden,"
to state, that the "moral" and object of the whole is, socially,
to unsex the sexes; * * * * * * * * * * and when I call the attention of
the reader to the fact, that while I have described the dress
of all the parties to this inhuman display, and ocular demon-
stration, I have not mentioned the dress of "Adam and Eve"
nor the nature of the "Fruit" by which each was in turn
tempted; I think he will admit, that while I hare said enough,
I have also left more unsaid than the imagination, held with
the loosest possible rein, would be likely to picture; and I
have only to add, that the reality is too monstrous for human
belief.*

==============================================================


* It would seem to be a misfortune, that a false estimate of pro
priety should be allowed to interpose a barrier against the exposure

of these Mormon debaucheries. But as Mrs. S , from consci

tious scruples, and a doubt as to the good to be accomplished by
more full disclosure, preferred ftlence, we leave this subject as it is.



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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 09:14PM

That's a pretty weak foundation on which to base claims of sex in the temples. I say that for three reasons.

First, the author says she is bound by her temple oaths not to tell what happens in the temple, then divulges basically everything except the precise covenants. That makes me think she might not be above trying to portray things in a more prurient light in order to sell more books or gain more notoriety.

Second, her description of the temple ceremony seems reasonably precise--and also compatible with what we know of the ceremony back in the day. The only reason in the text to believe that something else was going on is the use of some scare quotes. Perhaps that emphasis was not even hers but rather was introduced by editors who wanted to imply more than she did. In any case, quotation marks around key words don't seem particularly evidentiary to me.

Third, the author implies that scores of people went through the ceremony and hence knew its secrets. But since many senior members apostasized in Kirtland, Nauvoo, and SLC and then revealed much of what they knew, it is curious that none of them (to the best of my admittedly limited knowledge) disclosed temple sex rituals. I would have expected such from the people who disclosed the conventional temple ceremony, the existence and activities of the Danites, etc.

The account is interesting, but I think it is insufficient to support the proposition that sexual activity occurred in the temple. I suspect that is why the great historians of early Mormon history have not made such claims.



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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 10:24PM


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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 10:28PM

Just my opinion.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: August 09, 2018 10:42PM

but any sex act isn't mentioned explicitly -- just implied.

Still going with it in the nude.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: August 10, 2018 12:34AM


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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 10, 2018 01:18AM

I had to look that word up. And the author treats that appearance as exceptional, even shocking.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: August 10, 2018 12:55AM

so she's not responsible for the scare quotes or even all that "I am SO GLAD to learn about *real* Christians!" business in the introduction.

I think that the author uses scare quotes when he transcribes something he finds heretical or plain nuts. (Not that what he believes is any less nuts, but Mormonism's weak leg is its youth.)



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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 10, 2018 01:20AM

One of several weak legs, sort of like a bug.

Perhaps a cockroach.

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Posted by: Dorian Grey ( )
Date: August 10, 2018 03:24AM

There was nudity in that during the washing and anointing the women were nude in one room, and the men nude in another. From all the old ex-Mormon temple expose's I've read, NONE of them say that Adam and Eve appeared naked, but that were wearing the undergarments, which, in the day, consisted of one long cotton undergarment, that was buttoned up by strings of cloth.

If Adam and Eve did appear naked in the early Endowment Ceremony, and there was a sex act either between them or among the temple-goers, I "think" that would have been said in more expose's, and I've read just about all of them.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 10, 2018 03:31AM

This is my understanding as well.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: August 10, 2018 08:08AM

I have always been skeptical of these type of claims. They smell Ed Decker-ish.

That said, there are two things that give me pause:

The Warren Jeffs group temple pics with the bed. I'm pretty sure what that "initiation" was about.

The other is the general inclination of cult leaders to incorporate access to sex (mostly for themselves and the favored "leaders") into their teachings. The temple was for the privileged devout offering privacy and secrecy. They would have taught it was sacred and OK because God is down with it. Many religions have devised justification to have access to nudity and even sexual acts.

It might be a priest examining a witch by checking every inch of her for devil marks. It might be sacrificing virgins. It might be symbolic baths or fingering the genitals of a newborn baby boy. I'm convinced a lot of these practices have historically, if not still, had a (wink wink) perk that allows church leaders to convince people these types of oversteps and intrusions are OK. Nudity=vulnerability in these situations.

I suspect there was sex or nudity in temples simply because people are continually manipulated by "God's way" and religious manipulation.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 10, 2018 11:04AM

No one is doubting the violation of boundaries through enforced nudity. From what I have read, even those of us who took out their endowments before 1990 were essentially nude, and touched, under the poncho. That is naked manipulation of the sort you describe.

We also know that more of the endowments were performed with the initiates being nude in the early temples. The genders were separate and there was no sex, but it was a violation of boundaries in an effort to create a cult-like commitment. If the account above is correct, then BY's taking women aside for teaching at the veil would also be emotional and physical manipulation even though it was not actually sexual.

So I think your main point--violation of physical boundaries, nudity to create vulnerability--is firmly established. We also know that sex was routinely used across traditional boundaries through polygamy, polyandry, etc. So all the main parts of what you describe were there.

It's just that there were many dozens, perhaps hundreds, of apostates from the church who told all sorts of stories (mainly accurate) about the temple ceremony and the violation of marriage patterns--and few if any of those claim that there was sex in the temple.

My surmise is that Warren Jeffs's crowd added some horrors that were not in the original temple ceremony. Again, that would not contradict your main point.

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Posted by: exminion ( )
Date: August 10, 2018 02:51PM

My great-grandmother told me that the temple "washing" was in a tub, standing, COMPLETELY NAKED. She was still naked during the "anointing." Other naked women were being washed and anointed in the same room, also. I believe her. It horrified her.

The temple rituals I endured were horrifying to me, too, even with the added "shield". I went through during the pantomime death oaths. I felt the presence of evil in the temple. No sex, but still there was the feeling of being "emotionally raped." There was naked touching, by someone of the same sex, on my breasts and between my legs. Blessing my genitals was verbally sexual. Someone dressed me in the underwear, which made me feel humiliated. The constant dressing and undressing and switching of robes was, just, childish and nasty and secret, like little kids bullying each other in a secret clubhouse.

The Truth is already damning enough, without any added conjecture about sex in the temple. I don't believe the life play was done naked.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: August 10, 2018 06:06PM

That's the problem with Victorian era accounts...nothing is mentioned, only implied.

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: August 10, 2018 04:07PM

Church broke.

You get naked and do a bunch of mumbo-jumbo, and swear not to tell anybody or you will let them literally cut your body apart.

Not. Christ. Like. At. All.

Slightly OT, but every time I hear about a random drive by shooting, I rarely hear the news say the police think it was a gang initiation; once you have killed a person the gang has you--there's no going back. Mafia-like. Cult-like.

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Posted by: moremany-NLI ( )
Date: August 11, 2018 12:25AM

Fancy the Dance
Done by Chance
Without a Trance
By unwatered Plants
With Ants in their Pants
Because? Happenstance

Amatures. Performing for? Amatures.

M@t

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Posted by: Gheco ( )
Date: August 11, 2018 12:45AM

Ironic the claim is the people were nude but did not have sex when the first question from the bishop after a priesthood sexual assault is to question what the female was wearing.

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Posted by: Southern ExMo ( )
Date: August 11, 2018 04:32AM

I don't know the answer to the original question, but there is something that I do know:

I was married in the Atlanta Temple in the mid-1980s. Legally, Georgia required that my husband and I spend 3 nights in Georgia before they would grant us a marriage license, so this meant several nights at a local hotel before the temple ceremony. I should mention here that this was a first (and only) marriage for both of us, and it was also the first time we'd ever enter an LDS temple. We actually got our own annointing and endowments the same morning that we would be married in the temple.

Anyway, we couldn't go to Atlanta "unchapparoned," even if we were to sleep in separate hotel rooms until the marriage - decreed the Bishop.

So, an older (married in the temple) lady in our ward (who was about 60 or 65 at the time) was assigned by the Bishop to go with us, and chapparone us until we were married. This lady was to stay with me in my hotel room.

The night before our marriage, after my husband headed off to his hotel room, I was excited and full of wonder about what was to happen. I'd never even been to the temple for baptisms for the dead before. I was a complete greenie.

So this lady sat down with me to tell me all that she could about what I would experience the next day. She was to be my temple matron (or whatever they call the person who is paired with you when you go to the temple for the first time).

She told me alot of stuff -- all of which turned out to be accurate.

But then she said "I need to prepare you for something. I don't know if they do it at these small temples, but you need to be mentally prepared -- after you are married, they may lead you and your new husband to a private room with a bed in it, where you will be allowed to consumate your marriage within God's holy temple. If you are given this oppportunity - don't be afraid. It is a beautiful thing, for your husband to be able to get to know you for the first time in the temple."


She was being absolutely sincere (and I totally believe honest) in what she was saying to me.

I was in such a state of shock, though, that I neglected to ask her if that was where she and her husband first "consumated their marriage."

I wish I had asked that today, but obviously the opportunity to get clarity on that point is long lost.

But it didn't take much reading between the lines to figure that she was telling me that many newly married couples -- at least in the larger temples (out west, I presume) -- WERE having their first marrital sex somewhere inside the temple.


BTW, my husband and I were NOT shown to a private room to have sex when we got married in the Atlanta Temple. I've known several people married in that - and other southern McTemples - since then, and none of them had sex in the temple either.


Thank heavens!


But this older lady (who was married in a temple out west, sometime right after World War 2 ended) honestly did think that it might be possible we'd "be given that opportunity."

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Posted by: sunnynomo ( )
Date: August 11, 2018 01:53PM

I have heard this rumor as a nevermo - that marriages were consummated in the temple right after the ceremony. After being here for a while, I had dismissed it as garbage, along with the stupid rumors I had heard like mormons have horns and wife-swapping.

This account matches what I heard pretty closely, though.

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Posted by: MexMom ( )
Date: August 11, 2018 05:20AM

OMG! I thought I'd heard it all. But it all makes sense considering Joseph and Brigham.

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