http://www.mormonchronicle.com/government-schools-no-celestial-kingdom/

Mormon kids must be taught by Mormon adults. Period.

What a pile of fucking Mormon culture mentality shit.

Had to go and yurgh on Mom's good rug.

Thass the trouble with being such a literate dog.

O M G

I guess that means my children (all public school grads) are DOOMED!


LET's PARTY!

ALL MoSayings have deteriorated to the status of DISTRACTIONS away from the Basics of Christ-Like living:


Honesty
Kindness
Charity (as per Ashton)
Repentance & Forgiveness
Mercy & Compassion


The day that Mormonism (& other CULTS) got to Define religion (values, principles, etc) was the day RELIGION DIED in the hearts/minds of Many!

Mormonism KILLS Christianity!!!!

And how are kids supposed to not attend public school? Last I checked TSCC doesn't exactly have the private school empire of the Catholic or Lutheran churches.

And on the topic of support yourself, then ask family, then the church - maybe they should say this to all the BYU students who keep banging out kids. I'm pretty sure it's not private insurance paying for all these births. And I know that accepting WIC/Welfare/Medicaid is A-OK (since they pay taxes too!) seems to pop up in the Letters to the Editor of The Daily Universe every year. My guess is that if the church had to start paying for all the babies being born at the lord's university the push for 21 year olds with 3.5 years of school left to marry and pop out babies 9 months later would dry up.

Plus who are they kidding?!?! Family, then church, then government? With all these threads on here about TSCC telling members to go fuck themselves when they actually do ask for help, it's all lip service.

I don't know how the mormon kids around the world who have only secular/christian choices are supposed to even hope for any kind of glory the way these idiots are talking.

I think the church is getting more Utahcentric/Xenophobic by the day.

Thank goodness!

Briggy

God doesn't try very hard and prefers to just let generations suffer until they remember which BY quotes are relevant today.

“Usually the Lord gives us the overall objectives to be accomplished and some guidelines to follow, but he expects us to work out most of the details and methods… Sometimes the Lord hopefully waits on his children to act on their own, and when they do not, they lose the greater prize, and the Lord will either drop the entire matter and let them suffer the consequences or else he will have to spell it out in greater detail.”

Hmmm. I wonder is this attitude,"Government Schools = No Celestial Kingdom," accounts in part for the attack on public school systems in Idaho and Utah, an attack that is even more underhanded and unethical than the run-of-the-mill attacks from the clueless in other states.

Excerpts:

"Brigham Young taught: I am opposed to free education as much as I am opposed to taking away property from one man and giving it to another…"

Dude, dude! Public education is actually both a gift to the entire society, and a necessity ... and a right.

"...During the 1870′s and 80′s (when Utah was attempting to enter the Union), there was again a great outcry from the outside world that the “Mormons” were getting too much power and influence. To help “combat” this, it was proposed that before entering the Union there must be an “establishment of free schools” which would “prohibit the teaching of denominational sentiments in them.” (Boston Watchman, impression of Sept. 5th, 1878)"

Uh-oh, I feel the persecution card is being played.

"...Throughout this crisis in education, Prophets of the Lord were constantly ... warning the Saints of what would happen if they rejected the system the Lord had established.
Free schools by taxation is theft.
Only Latter-day Saints should teach Latter-day Saints."

Pity the children.

"...“I would rather have my child exposed to smallpox, typhus fever, cholera, or other malignant and deadly diseases than to the degrading influence of a corrupt teacher. It is infinitely better to take chances with an ignorant, but pure-minded teacher than with the greatest philosopher who is impure.” (General Conference, October 1970)"

So, the author of this mindless drivel agrees that small pox is a better alternative to education via non-mormons. Let's see, at the height of the small pox epidemics, before a vaccine was developed, about 300 million Europeans died of the disease. Yeah, that sounds better than threatening little Molly Mormon with an elementary teacher who is not TBM.

"..It is time to repent of the sins of the past and no longer partake in a system of theft, unrighteous dominion, and spiritual starvation....As we share this information with others and gain in numbers, we could start LDS based private schools."

In the meantime, mormons like Tom Luna are stripping public schools of funds in order to put more money into vouchers that can be used to send students to private schools. Makes one wonder about his goals.

About the author of this screed:
"Ezra Taylor has appeared in national (Fox news, USA Today), as well as several other regional publications. Ezra also writes for several freedom oriented publications, has been a radio talk show host and is a grassroots organizer."

...have published screeds calling for abolition of the public schools (Mero calls it coercive indoctrination).

What would they replace them with? "Neighborhood schools". Guess where each neighborhood just happens to have classrooms in Utah? That's right, in the ward and stakehouses. And volunteers from the community (AKA church members) will do the teaching.

Paul Mero also thinks allowing gays to get married would end civilization as we know it. He even spoke out against the LDS Church when the church leaders sorta, kinda in a halfassed way supported the anti-discrimination laws that would have banned discriminating against gays in housing and jobs.

Mero is, from all accounts, a nice guy with some smarts ... but a guy who has a dark side that is deep and that exudes a stench that affects almost all of Utah politics.

Mero has also made alliances with Catholics, with Focus on the Family, and with other groups that can help him in his end-public-education campaign, and in his anti-gay campaigns. He's really into creating a theocracy (which he calls "freedom").

Oh, yeah, and he dislikes immigrants.

The article starts:

"Brigham Young taught:
I am opposed to free education
as much as I am opposed to taking
away property from one man and
giving it to another…"

1) Wasn't Bring'em young a member when they went through their short lived communist era (AKA the law of consecration)?

2) Bring'em talk a lot of old shite about a lot of things..... I thought modern morg tended to distance themselves from *anything* that ol' fraud said?

ohhh... and after that pile, I couldn't be bothered to wade through the rest of the article

The law of consecration is good because it takes from one and gives to another. That's what Christ would do.

Tithing is good because it takes from one and gives to another. That's what Robin Hood would do.

Fast offerings are good because it takes from one and gives to another. That's what Mother Theresa would do.

Public education is evil because it takes from one and gives to another. That's Socialism! That's what Satan would do.

I see no inherent flaw in his argument. Sounds perfectly logical to me. Socialism and Communism are good if I agree with the rational that is the end goal and bad if I don't. The ends justify the means.

This wild eyed TBM has a lot of quack ideas in common with several RFM posters.

Not going to BYU was probably the best thing that never happened to me. I have always thought that BYU was were you go to learn to obey and other school (those god-awful state schools is where you go to learn).

Mormons pick and choose, as seen in this quote from the article by BY:
“I am opposed to free education as much as I am opposed to taking away property from one man and giving it to another… Would I encourage free schools by taxation? No!” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 18 p. 357, General Conference 1877)

Excuse me! What the hell was the Law of Consecration and tithing. BY just didn't want youngsters to get to know the real world--he wanted to control information--because it would mean less tithing.

I wonder if this is why so many conservative Mormons were behind and supporting school vouchers several years ago. Anyone?

"I would rather have my child exposed to smallpox, typhus fever, cholera, or other malignant and deadly diseases than to the degrading influence of a corrupt teacher. It is infinitely better to take chances with an ignorant, but pure-minded teacher than with the greatest philosopher who is impure."

This is almost exactly what first got me thinking about the wonderful message of the church. Just substitute Drano for smallpox and porn for education. Then imagine a 14 year old teacher hearing in preisthood meeting that the stake president would rather force-feed drain cleaner to his son (my best friend) than have him look, or "even glance" at the natural beauty of the female form.

To me, this was like a crowbar to the knee of my faith. Perhaps this will do the same?

Totally insulate your precious darlings from the world. Keep them in an alternative virtual reality of religious delusion.

+1

Exactly.

There are a few "LDS" charter schools where I live and they are shit. The Mormon kids even have their totally lame "MoProm" bwcause their regular school's prom wasnt up to their standards. Ugh.

Don't these people realize by segregating their kids from society puts them at a HUGE disadvantage? CULT indeed.

I see the church going the way of the Warren Jeffs gang.

As a public school teacher, I'm an evil minion of Satan trying my best to corrupt and defile your children and drag them to hell. Just thought I'd let you know before you put your kid in my class. Thanks and have a good day.

Moroni Marten Wrote:
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> As a public school teacher, I'm an evil minion of
> Satan trying my best to corrupt and defile your
> children and drag them to hell. Just thought I'd
> let you know before you put your kid in my class.
> Thanks and have a good day.

Me too. I can't tell you how many kids I have lead straight to hell.

I'd like to offer you both my sincere thanks. Keep up the good work. :)

I'd like to offer you both my sincere thanks. Keep up the good work. :)

I'd like to offer you both my sincere thanks. Keep up the good work. :)

I'd like to offer you both my sincere thanks. Keep up the good work. :)

Haha! Retribution for the parsley comments.

All my love,

Raptor

Approximately half of the Mormons I know well (which is only a handful) are public school teachers. And they're not ExMos. I'm sure they'd be all sorts of pleased to read this nonsense.

I've never heard anything more ridiculous. What a wonderful way to brainwash Mormon kids.

Here in NZ, Church College (run by the Church, closed down after much out-cry last year) has a well known reputation for extremely poor academic performance, bullying and teen pregnancies... goodness me, the stories my brother and sister used to relate (they both went to CCNZ and are now inactive... what does that say?).

I'm glad I chose to go to a public school! Even if I am damned for hell. I'd choose a non-Mormon teacher over a Mormon teacher any day! At least there's a better chance of them actually being properly qualified.

I agree with your comment 100%. Let them have their Church-run schools for 3 or so years. Then test them with the whole battery of tests (TerraNova, CAT, Sanford....). Let their academic results speak for themselves!!

This article dealt a semi-painful blow to those of us who homeschool in the US. Please, y'all, don't think we're all that way!!!

There are some of us (my family included) who homeschool for the pure reason of demanding academic excellence from our kids in the "least-boring and most efficient way possible" (our opinion) AND because their father is in the military so we move a LOT and we take vacations at very odd times so they can be with daddy.

And with the number of kids we have, it would take me 2-3 hours a day to help organize them, make lunches, pack backpacks, collect permission forms, help with homework, on-and-on. Instead I spend those 2-3 hours a day with them on one-on-one academics. Then we spend the rest of the time reading, writing, taking field trips and going to their various activities to get them "socialized".

Or I could spend over $18,000 to send them all to the local "Church-run" school for mediocre academics and heavy religious indoctrination...............

Ok, soapbox rant over. But please don't think all homeschoolers out there are religious fanatics!!!!!!

My father took a job in Hong Kong and we lived there for two years and I went to private school. School wasn't as available to the population as it was in the US. If your parents didn't have money you were pretty much stuck where your parents were. Sure the schools were good but not everyone had access to them.

Let's not forget many smart people who changed the world for the better came out of US public schools. The problem is our educational system just reflects the decline of society in this country. The politics reflects it as well. The parents of the children aren't as involved in the public schools as they should be and it's been taken over by politicians and opportunists.

One of the greatest benefits we enjoyed in the US was quality education and advancement was once available to everyone. Now we are pissing that away.

I'm sorry to say I cant stick up for homeschooling. I was homeschooled for a time. Soshaliseing was visiting a friend a cople of miles away a cople of times a year, she wasnt really my friend anyway she was assighned to me in a way. Normal children spoke about things I had no experiance with. theres alot of common ground that just simply wasnt there to alow me to talk to kids in publlic schools.

My father also wasnt a teacher and had no experiance with teaching a dyslexic chlid. Makeing a dyslexic four year old play scrabble with an adult is like torcher.

It is amazing how abusive the Mormon system is and how effective it is in convincing members they are using free agency to making good choices when the reality is that they are being controlled and manipulated and giving away their free agency.

Guess they won't make it to the CK.