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Posted by: McIndoo ( )
Date: June 13, 2011 09:49PM

I know that most on this board wouldn't look at the 12 and the Pres and counselors as being exceptional religious men, but are they actually good businessmen? I would have to say yes and that they do the job that the church wants them to do as in directing the church as a business first of all, and then giving lite religious inspiration to the membership in the form of talks at various meetings and ghost written books, articles. The membership will buy into their very shallow inspiration wholeheartedly and be very much satisfied with it, but the real work is the work they do to keep the church going financially. Which I think they do just a good a job as any other CEO of a large corporation.

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Posted by: Just Browsing ( )
Date: June 13, 2011 10:03PM

No necessarily good CEO's but with really tight checks and balances and a strictly controlled pecking order ..You can't be stupid for too long .. Worst was Gordon B Hinkley building malls and ending up with over 100 temples ..

JB

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Posted by: JoD3:360 ( )
Date: June 13, 2011 10:04PM

Packer:
Packer has bachelor's and master's degrees from Utah State University and an Ed.D. degree from Brigham Young University.

Perry:
Perry graduated from Utah State University in 1949 with a B.S. in business.

Nelson:
Nelson studied at LDS Business College while in his mid-teens and then worked as an assistant secretary at a bank. He did undegraduate studies and then received an M.D. degree from the University of Utah in August 1947He received a Ph.D. degree from the University of Minnesota in 1954.

Oaks:
He graduated from Brigham Young High School in 1950, Brigham Young University in accounting in 1954, and the University of Chicago Law School in 1957.
After graduating from the University of Chicago Law School, Oaks clerked for Chief Justice Earl Warren of the United States Supreme Court from 1957 to 1958. After his clerkship he practiced at the law firm of Kirkland & Ellis in Chicago. Oaks left Kirkland & Ellis to become a professor at the University of Chicago Law School. During part of his time on the faculty of the Law School, Oaks served as interim dean. Oaks left the Law School upon being appointed President at Brigham Young University.
Oaks would also serve five years as chairman of the Board of Directors of the Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) (1979–1984) and eight years as chairman of the Board of Directors of the Polynesian Cultural Center.

Ballard:
Professionally, Ballard became involved in several enterprises, including automotive, real estate, and investment businesses. He was the top-selling salesman for his father’s Nash car dealership when he left it in the early 1950s to pursue other business interests. In 1956, Ballard returned and took over the Ballard Motor Company from his father. During this period he also served in the United States Army Reserve, resigning his commission as a first lieutenant in 1957.
During the late 1950s, Ballard was recruited by the Ford Motor Company to become the first Edsel car dealer for Salt Lake City. After praying for guidance, he had the "clear impression" not to sign the franchise. He did anyway and incurred a huge loss, "without doubt the darkest period" of his business career.

Scott:
Scott graduated from George Washington University with a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering.He later completed, what was an equivalent to a doctorate in nuclear engineering at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, but due to the classified nature of the work, a formal university degree could not be awarded. He also worked on the development of the first commercial land-based nuclear power plant.

Hales:
Hales was born in New York City, New York, and raised in Queens. His father Rulon Hales was a successful artist. He received degrees from the University of Utah and Harvard Business School. Hales was a pilot in the U.S. Air Force. He married Mary Crandall, whom he met as a college sophomore in Queens, and they have two sons.
During his professional business career, Hales served in executive positions with four major national companies. After joining the Gillette Co., he became president of Papermate, a division of Gillette. Then he joined Max Factor as a vice president, and later headed Hughes Television Network. Just prior to his call to be a general authority, he was president of Chesebrough-Pond's.

Holland:
Holland later transferred to Brigham Young University where he graduated with a BA in English. He then received an MA in Religious Education from BYU while also teaching religion classes part time. After earning his master's degree, Holland became an Institute of Religion teacher in Hayward, California. He next served as an institute director in Seattle, Washington. While in Seattle, Holland served as the bishop of a single adults ward. Holland attended Yale University and earned a second master's degree, this time in American Studies, and later a Ph.D in the same subject. At Yale, Holland studied with American literary scholar and critic R. W. B. Lewis and authored a dissertation on the religious sense of Mark Twain.[4]

Bednar:
then attended Brigham Young University, where he received a Bachelor of Arts degree in communication in 1976 and a Master of Arts degree in organizational communication in 1977. He then received a Doctorate in organizational behavior from Purdue University in 1980.
From 1980 to 1984, Bednar was the assistant professor of management in the College of Business Administration at the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville, Arkansas. He became assistant professor of management at Texas Tech University from 1984 to 1986. He then moved back to the University of Arkansas as the Associate Dean for Graduate Studies in the College of Business Administration from 1987 to 1992 and was then the director of the Management Decision-Making Lab from 1992 to 1997. In 1994, he was recognized as the outstanding teacher at the University of Arkansas and received the Burlington Northern Foundation Award for Excellence in Teaching. He has twice been the recipient of the Outstanding Teacher Award in the College of Business Administration.

Cook:
He graduated from Utah State University in 1963 with a bachelor's degree in political science and from Stanford Law School in 1966.
The Cooks moved to Hillsborough, California, where they had three children. Cook worked for 27 years as a corporate attorney, becoming a managing partner of Carr, McClellan, Ingersoll, Thompson and Horn in the San Francisco Bay area; for three years as president and chief executive officer of California Healthcare System (CHS); and then for some time[citation needed] as vice chairman of Sutter Health System. His tenure at CHS was marked by controversy as he orchestrated the lease of the once-public Marin General Hospital; the lease resulted in the transfer of millions of dollars of public funds to CHS. Cook also volunteered for 14 years as city attorney.

Christofferson:
After his mission, he earned a bachelor's degree from Brigham Young University and a J.D. from Duke University School of Law.
Christofferson began his law career as a law clerk to Judge John J. Sirica during the Watergate hearings. As a lawyer, Christofferson worked in Washington, D.C.; Nashville, Tennessee; Herndon, Virginia; and Charlotte, North Carolina. Christofferson was the associate general counsel for NationsBank in Charlotte and was the volunteer chairman of Affordable Housing of Nashville, Tennessee.

Anderson:
After his mission, he graduated from Brigham Young University and earned an MBA degree from Harvard Business School. He lived and worked in Tampa, Florida, where he was the vice president of the Morton Plant Health System. In the church, Andersen was a stake president in Tampa.

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Posted by: lulu ( )
Date: June 13, 2011 10:10PM

not what ceo's get bonus for.

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Posted by: testiphony ( )
Date: June 13, 2011 10:24PM

Can't tell for sure. What kind of a test is it really? They have minimal overhead with all the tithe payers, tax exemption, and plenty of crony capitalism with the "affinity" situation in Morgdom, including things like hiring only temple recommend holders as employees so 10% of what they earn goes right back to them. They don't have to be good CEO's to run Morgdom.

Drunk rant, haha. I don't know which of them have business experience outside the Morg, but even Utah's nonMorg companies have some of the same things going on.

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Posted by: jan ( )
Date: June 14, 2011 01:15AM

testiphony Wrote:
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> Can't tell for sure. What kind of a test is it
> really? They have minimal overhead with all the
> tithe payers, tax exemption, and plenty of crony
> capitalism with the "affinity" situation in
> Morgdom, including things like hiring only temple
> recommend holders as employees so 10% of what they
> earn goes right back to them.

And, lest we forget, they don't disclose the books like real CEOs and they have lifetime tenure. All on the sacrifices of the sheeple.

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Posted by: hello ( )
Date: June 13, 2011 10:46PM

They don't have to be good CEO's any more, as the church is run by the offices of the Presiding Bishopric.

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Posted by: another guy ( )
Date: June 14, 2011 01:50AM

My understanding is that they are not acting as CEOs; they're nominal members of various boards of directors, as a cover to receive their salaries (as a part of the 'unpaid clergy'). These salaries are their pay-off for past loyalty to the Corp. and their family connections.

This is the same system as the nominal board members of most major public corporations; they'll put someone on their boards for the name recognition, as well as a pay-off for past services when they were in government (such as former cabinet members and congressmen).

I believe that others do the actual CEO duties of LDS Corp. (such as the Presiding Bishopric and other suits in the Corp Headquaters).

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Posted by: Anonymous User ( )
Date: June 14, 2011 03:41AM

This is very easy to answer.

All we need to do is review the published accounts of the Church against forecasted targets and...<frowns>...oh...

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Posted by: Gorspel Dacktrin ( )
Date: June 14, 2011 04:10AM

It's therefore difficult to know how much credit is due to some members of the Twelve and how much blame is due.

There is no accountability to the general membership and no transparency with regard to decision-making processes.

I suspect that some of the Twelve are just coasting along for the ride and some are really into the power and trying to exert as much influence as they can. You've got to have the Twelve. It's part of the show and part of the tradition. So some of them may simply be placeholders, who bought their way into the position one way or another.

The most dominant members of the Twelve usually end up in the First Presidency at some point, but maybe not always. Usually, the Prophet guy brings in his clique favorites and if he goes senile one of the counselors can leverage the situation into a major power position for himself. (I think Hinckley was effectively the CEO for several years before he formally was promoted to the position.) Packer is probably such a control freak that nobody wants him in the FP as a counselor. His only way in will be to get there by seniority.

As for their performance?

Creativity and Innovation: failing grades all around

Risk Management: average grades

Shameless Lying and Manipulation: high grades all around

Exploitation of the Weak-Minded: high grades all around

The sad thing is that there is nothing in their performance that would even remotely suggest that any form of genuine inspiration has ever come into play. There is more in their performance that indicates evil intent at work than there is suggesting benign intent.

But given the nature of the crappy religious brand that they manage and the abundance of readily available evidence of its unreliability and the falsity of its claims, the GAs may deserve major credit for keeping it all from blowing up in their faces as long as they have. ;o)

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Posted by: Anonymous User ( )
Date: June 14, 2011 04:23AM

Ehm, it's actually not 12, it's 112...

First Presidency
Quorum of the 12
First Quorum of the 70
Second Quorum of the 70
Presiding Bishopric

Plus 340 Sales Managers (Mission Presidents)
402 Accounts Managers (Temple Presidencies)

So that's 854 Church Leaders receiving a 'stipend'.

let's guess at an average 'stipend' package of $50,000
That's a whopping $43 million worth of tithing per annum going on 'stipend'.

Now you know why tithing is now a commandment...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/14/2011 10:17AM by Stumbling.

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Posted by: Suckafoo ( )
Date: June 14, 2011 05:33AM

They are used as walking advertisement
And held up as examples of stalwart, spiritual, wise, educated family men who have sacrificed their lives for their God and their fellow man. They are an elite group to be sure. As far as running the church goes, I'm not sure they have much say. They probably have little control and everything they say publicly or write down likely needs a stamp of approval first but I dont know that for sure. I suspect that is the case because they don't say much; their writings offer no additional insight and incite little argument.

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Posted by: Heresy ( )
Date: June 14, 2011 09:11AM

Not a job I'd like.

If they were good stewards, I don't think we'd be seeing all the financial cutbacks at the ward and member level. It's going to limit future growth. They can't find a strategy for attracting the younger demographic, and the long term outlook is grim.

They got the corporation in a bad position for this financial downturn. I don't think that is difficult to see. The mall was ill timed.

The presiding bishop might run things, but the 12 are supposed to provide direction the same way a board of directors would.

Epic Fail for the last decade, preceded by the worst mistake 25 years ago when they turned into Christian Conservatives.

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Posted by: imalive ( )
Date: June 14, 2011 09:35AM

Are the Osmonds Catholic? Is the Pope a Mormon?

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