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Posted by: BeenThereDunnThatExMo ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 12:36PM

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Posted by: Razortooth ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 01:11PM

I've replaced prayer with a rabbit's foot. It's less time consuming, easier on the knees and the results are identical to prayer.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 01:13PM

I've dispensed with the rabbit's foot...for the same reasons :)

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Posted by: Elyse ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 01:13PM

You cannot pray away someone else's right to decide for themselves.

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Posted by: nli ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 01:17PM

My TBM brother had been excommunicated once for a moral breach, but repented and became worthy to be rebaptized. He backslid once more, confessed, and was summoned to a church court. He told me he prayed before appearing, and received an answer that he would just be disfellowshipped for a year.

But they excommunicated him again. He was astonished.

He is not going to try to get back in. He said he doesn't pray any more and doesn't believe.

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Posted by: Sillyrabbit ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 02:35PM

I had great experiences with prayer. Then I realized it was all in my head.

Then I realized my head is pretty great. Now I have even better experiences than prayer and no gods needed.

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Posted by: nli ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 04:24PM

"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly realized that I was talking to myself."

- Peter Barnes, The Ruling Class

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Posted by: CrispingPin ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 04:40PM

I read the BoM (cover to cover) several times in my life. The first time, I was a teenager, the last time, I was a middle aged man. Every time I finished, I prayed for a spiritual witness. Every time I prayed with a sincere heart, with real intent, and with faith in Christ, and every time, I received....nothing.

Damn, I'm a slow learner.

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Posted by: catnip ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 08:17PM

My father was dying, in the final stage of renal failure. Nothing could be done for him at the hospital, and he wanted to die at home. For the first few days, when he coud not keep anything down, Mother, an RN, kept him going with sugar-laden IVs. But as that failed, he slipped into a coma. This was just before Christmas. We had a tree up, and decorated.

A mean old lady - a friend of my grandma's - drove to our house. She had never liked me. She always said critical things about me, in the third person, as if I weren't there. "Is she still failing at arithmetic?" she would ask, with me in the same room.

Anyway, as Daddy lay dying, this old lady thrust a blue-covered book at me and told me that if I read it and applied it correctly, I could save my father.

It was Mary Baker Eddy's book about Christian Science. (She was a contemporary of Emerson. Now, with a university degree, I can read and appreciate Emerson. But I was only 15 when I got Eddy's book.) It was an up-hill excursion.

Desperate to save my Dad, I tried very hard to understand that book. The general gist seemed to be that if you prayed in just the right formula, God would give you what you wanted. I tried. On my knees and everything. I tried very hard to get the words right, the concepts in the proper sequence, everything. Nobody ever prayed with greater sincerity.

Dad died five days after Christmas.

I tried to tell my mother after that that I no longer believed in God, but she forced me to go to church anyway, until I left home for university.

That old lady came back for Dad's funeral. She wasted no time in pulling me aside and telling me I had not applied the principles from the book correctly.

Rather than saying something unspeakable, I just turned and stalked to my room, locked the door, and stayed there.

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Posted by: sbg ( )
Date: October 11, 2018 06:24PM

You are nicer than I am. I probably would have slapped her. Like to tell the witch (b) that praying didn’t save my Dad and man did I pray.

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: October 13, 2018 09:32PM

As is my sister--that's one step above "Practitioner;" they train people to be Practitioners--professional "healers."

I think I can understand your hurt a little more deeply than others. I can certainly feel it, to this very day. Christian "Science" is a sham--as Twain (not George Carlin) pointed out, neither Christian nor a science.

The absurdity of standardizing prayer into a method, formula or scientific process was one thing which lead me out of CS, when I was in my early teens. How much easier it would have Cbeen if somebody were to say, "Dad is passing. We'll focus on loving him, enjoying this Christmas in a special way, and making him as comfortable as possible."

Last thought: Christian Scientists have vern strange beliefs about death, which makes their handling of people's deaths bizarre and socially inept.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 09:18PM

I must have been 10 years old at a WEBELOS scouting meeting. I gave the opening prayer with a specific request that nobody would get hurt from using knives. That day we happened to be carving pumpkins for Halloween. Yes, I sliced my finger within minutes of picking up a carving knife. The other scouts found it so funny that I was the first one injured after giving the prayer.

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Posted by: BYU Boner ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 09:56PM

Yeah, I prayed that I’d stop believing in God, it didn’t work.

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Posted by: nli ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 10:44PM

The recent issue of "Freethought Today" had a letter from a woman who wrote that she had been praying for weeks for something special, and her prayer was not answered.

She had been praying, "Please, God, make the whole world atheist!"

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 11:17PM

I only genuinely prayed for one thing in my life; it was in high school. I prayed that a certain girl would like me and go steady with me.

The prayer was not answered. But I don't blame ghawd. I blame her racist mother. We made out a lot, but she couldn't officially date me.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: October 11, 2018 05:01PM

But...once you go Lamanite, you can't, what rhymes with "Lamanite" anyway?


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Posted by: lisadee ( )
Date: October 11, 2018 08:24PM

ificouldhietokolob Wrote:
> But...once you go Lamanite, you can't
>, what rhymes with "Lamanite"
> anyway?
> :)

Once you go Lamanite, you won't want White.


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Posted by: C2NR ( )
Date: October 11, 2018 04:53PM

If prayer worked medical studies comparing treatment options would have to take this into consideration. Reports of medical research studies (legit ones in reputable peer-reviewed medical journals) comparing different treatment options never list prayer as one of the variables they controlled for. You never see something like, "The treatment group and control group were matched for age, gender, race, co-morbid condition such as diabetes and religion". Christian prayer is as effective as Muslim prayer is effective as no prayer. I know of no stronger proof that prayer doesn't work because sickness leads people to offer some of their most heartfelt and prolific prayers, and these are prayers that a loving god should be willing, even eager, to answer. I don't mean to imply it isn't beneficial in any sense. Prayer can be a great source of hope and comfort, which is much needed in such times, but it doesn't prolong life, and this is what most prayers for the sick are asking for.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: October 11, 2018 07:24PM

Medical studies won't work because I already proactively prayed for all the people who are in or will be in the non-prayer groups.
Take that, science!

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Posted by: olderelder ( )
Date: October 11, 2018 06:20PM

I have a friend who was raised in a different weirdo cult/religion. She posted the other day she was waking in the middle of the night and having trouble getting back to sleep. Someone suggested she needed to pray and find out what God wanted her to pray about. She agreed. I was like HUH? I resisted answering that maybe God wanted her to pray about praying.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: October 11, 2018 06:23PM

When my parents adopted a baby girl in 1955 who it turned out had severe spastic cerebral palsy, dad had us gather in family prayer every around her crib every night to ask for relief for my baby sister. His prayers were from the heart from the greatest, kindest, most loving man I've ever known. He was indeed asking for a miracle. What we got was her dying at age 3 1/2. I was 11. It broke our hearts. I think I lost whatever tiny bit of faith I may have possessed the day she died, Easter Sunday 1959. I just went with the flow after that out of respect for my folks. The gospel was just a bunch of meaningless words.

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Posted by: PollyDee ( )
Date: October 11, 2018 07:17PM

That is so heartbreaking, Ron, I'm so sorry for your loss of loved ones. It is akin to my own failed prayers... ;(

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Posted by: dogblogger ( )
Date: October 11, 2018 07:29PM

Moroni's promise is probably my first major failing with prayer

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Posted by: Humberto ( )
Date: October 13, 2018 04:58PM

Regarding your first statement, good for you.

I'd be interested, however, if you can provide a rationale for your second that doesn't involve a heaping dump of self-righteous pretense.

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Posted by: olderelder ( )
Date: October 13, 2018 06:48PM

If prayer worked, the world would be filled with peace and love, evil would be conquered, everyone would be healthy, no one would suffer, no one would make bad decisions, and everyone would be blessed in every conceivable way -- because that's what billions of people are praying for every day, several times a day.

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