I would amend BTDT's metaphor to say, "how far back does the Mormon Retrovirus infect your family?"
Retroviruses are a form of virus that enters the victim's cells and grafts themselves into the his DNA, so that every succeeding generation of cells carries the virus too. Some retroviruses become genetically hereditary.
I'm simplifying a bit, but the point is that Mormonism infects people who then pass it on to their children as almost a genetic heritage. Mormonism is not like influenza or even cancer, limited to a single individual. It is far more invasive and persistent than such diseases. It is a curse unto the third and fourth generation.
It's the brain drain that will be the demise of TSCC finally.
I've seen a dumbing down just in my lifetime. What's sad is when it's in-laws and subsequent generations of their children. Not only are some of them ignoramuses, they're self-righteous little prudes. Since my favorite brother's funeral last year I've cut myself off from his bio children because they're more like their mom than they take after him. And that grieves me beyond words.
Ironically it's his adopted children who have a heart, not the ones he had with his wife. It's the gene pool I tell you!
I have a direct Paternal descendent that came west to SLC Valley in 1847. His name is on the Monument at This Is The Place. Family joined very early on. The families of my mom's parents both came west with the hand cart companies. One almost died at Martin's Cove. Those two families both joined in late 1830's as well.
DaveinTX Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have a direct Paternal descendent that came west > to SLC Valley in 1847. His name is on the > Monument at This Is The Place. Family joined very > early on. The families of my mom's parents both > came west with the hand cart companies. One > almost died at Martin's Cove. Those two families > both joined in late 1830's as well.
My great great great grandmother was in the Willie handcart company coming to Utah from Denmark. She survived.
I have an ancestor who is in the Joseph Smith papers. He served in the stake presidency in Missouri under David Whitmer and later entered the Salt Lake Valley with Brigham Young in 1847. I don't know when he joined the church but probably is the earliest of any of my ancestors to join. Most joined the church in Europe and migrated to Utah in handcart companies and later on the railroad.
My ancestor was a strong Brigham Young supporter in Nauvoo when no one knew for sure who would replace dead Joseph Smith. He even named a son after BY to show his loyalty. Journeyed to Salt Lake with him. I have no idea if he was duped by Brigham or was actually a willing henchman.
Both my mother's and father's side of the family go back to the original few cult members. One was a member of the Smith family, one was their neighbor, and one was JS's counselor. They all knew each other, and were polygamists, except for the neighbor. It's the neighbor's family line that is lease "infected", and now more than half of those relatives have left the cult.
I think of them all as apostates, who left the approved church of their English ancestors to join a sick, polygamous, voo-doo cult.
My children are not the "apostates," as we have brought our family back into the basic "Christian" way of thinking.
Our developing brains in the Information Age are producing natural antibodies, to fight off the virus. Also, unconditional love works better than Vitamin C, to strengthen our immunity.
All those generations of human beings, who could have been effluvium. Rich, attractive, successful, high-ranking in the cult--yes, they are. Happy, loving and kind--not!
Edit--All those generations of human beings, who could have lived happy, normal lives, have instead become invected from JS spewing his virus all over them. JS and BY and the Mormons did some terrible things to my ancestors (stole their money and land, put them in harm's way, banished them, etc), yet they all stayed obedient to the cult. WHY???
in my past including Martin handcart company. One grandmother was a convert, so that is not so far back, but her husband was the son of polygamists.
My grandparents were both deaf. They met in deaf school in Colorado when they were in 3rd grade. His family left to move to Utah and in his 20s, he went back looking for my grandmother. Her father made him promise that he wasn't part of polygamy and he told him he wasn't. At least my own grandfather didn't practice polygamy.
I only have one polygamist in my past thankfully. When I asked my dad about his family and if there were polygamists, he said they weren't THAT stupid.
My Mormon Pioneer Pedigree goes all the way back to the Nauvoo days. They went west with the Saints to Utah. A group of them were sent by Brigham Young to Arizona were they settled in the area of Mesa, Arizona. My Mother is from Mesa. My Father was a convert.
My Mormon Pioneer Pedigree goes all the way back to the Nauvoo days. The Stewart's and the Troyer's families migrated west with the Saints to Utah. They were later sent by Brigham Young to Arizona were they settled and established the city of Mesa, Arizona. My Mother is from Mesa. My Father was a convert.
Alvin Franklin Stewart was my great, great, grandfather. He was the second mayor of Mesa.He was one of Joseph Smith's body guards and helped build the Nauvoo Temple. So I guess I am the product of Mormon Pioneer Royalty.