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Posted by: BeenThereDunnThatExMo ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 02:48PM


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Posted by: olderelder ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 03:05PM

From the Palmyra days.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 03:45PM

Me too.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 03:34PM

That is a very effective metaphor.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 04:07PM

Yes, and I am a product of this virus. Mormonism is such a inextricable part of my personal genealogy that I would not exist if it weren't for it.

I don't like noodling that fact and I don't like Mormons telling me to leave Mormonism alone like I can forget my previous life and not think about all the lives before mine which led to mine.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 04:33PM

I would amend BTDT's metaphor to say, "how far back does the Mormon Retrovirus infect your family?"

Retroviruses are a form of virus that enters the victim's cells and grafts themselves into the his DNA, so that every succeeding generation of cells carries the virus too. Some retroviruses become genetically hereditary.

I'm simplifying a bit, but the point is that Mormonism infects people who then pass it on to their children as almost a genetic heritage. Mormonism is not like influenza or even cancer, limited to a single individual. It is far more invasive and persistent than such diseases. It is a curse unto the third and fourth generation.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: March 18, 2019 02:33PM

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> It is
> a curse unto the third and fourth generation.

So inciteful. It is a retrovirus trying to get ahold of human DNA through memes to continue that most viral of human cultural desires - complete Borg-like control of individuals.

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Posted by: East Coast Exmo ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 03:36PM

Nauvoo and before

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Posted by: Levi ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 04:04PM

1838 to 2010

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 04:13PM

Gratefully, just me.

That said, I remember doing some genealogy work back in the day, and I found starting on my maternal side of the family, from my 3rd g-grands and back thru history, temple work has been done.

:-/



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/15/2019 04:13PM by angela.

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 04:29PM

I think smart people would fall for ideological mumbo jumbo in earlier times. Now they go to the Internet.

Maybe TSCC is right to dumb down the doctrine year after year. It’s to keep up with the brain drain.

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: March 20, 2019 12:26PM

It's the brain drain that will be the demise of TSCC finally.

I've seen a dumbing down just in my lifetime. What's sad is when it's in-laws and subsequent generations of their children. Not only are some of them ignoramuses, they're self-righteous little prudes. Since my favorite brother's funeral last year I've cut myself off from his bio children because they're more like their mom than they take after him. And that grieves me beyond words.

Ironically it's his adopted children who have a heart, not the ones he had with his wife. It's the gene pool I tell you!

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Posted by: Roy G Biv ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 04:35PM

My dad joined during WW2. That has infected 3 generations beyond him. But, some of the family members got themselves vaccinated and are no longer infected.

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Posted by: Plaid n Paisley ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 04:46PM

1832 - both paternal and maternal lines. My life will never be completely free from the shadow of mormonism.

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Posted by: Enoughisasgoodasafeast ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 06:43PM

Started with my grandmother.

Will die with my mother.

Temporarily spread to us kids, but didn't stick.

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Posted by: DaveinTX ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 06:52PM

I have a direct Paternal descendent that came west to SLC Valley in 1847. His name is on the Monument at This Is The Place. Family joined very early on. The families of my mom's parents both came west with the hand cart companies. One almost died at Martin's Cove. Those two families both joined in late 1830's as well.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: March 16, 2019 07:40AM

DaveinTX Wrote:
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> I have a direct Paternal descendent that came west
> to SLC Valley in 1847. His name is on the
> Monument at This Is The Place. Family joined very
> early on. The families of my mom's parents both
> came west with the hand cart companies. One
> almost died at Martin's Cove. Those two families
> both joined in late 1830's as well.

My great great great grandmother was in the Willie handcart company coming to Utah from Denmark. She survived.

I have an ancestor who is in the Joseph Smith papers. He served in the stake presidency in Missouri under David Whitmer and later entered the Salt Lake Valley with Brigham Young in 1847. I don't know when he joined the church but probably is the earliest of any of my ancestors to join. Most joined the church in Europe and migrated to Utah in handcart companies and later on the railroad.

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Posted by: loislane ( )
Date: March 20, 2019 12:29PM

I too am a descendant of two of the Willie handcart survivors.

On my mother's side, the ancestor was Jens Nelson whose only child (at the time) died of exposure and starvation.

On my father's side it was a 17-year old girl named Elizabeth who eventually married her rescuer. Thomas Griffin Winn was already married to an Elizabeth, so I am a descendant of Elizabeth II.

Lois

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 07:14PM

Back to Kirtland and before including two bedding Joseph.

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Posted by: macaRomney ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 07:17PM

Manchester England 1837, Some of the very first from United Kingdom. And Uncle Porter Rockwell, who was Mormon before there was a Mormon church.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 08:59PM

Mid 1800's in Hartford Connecticut on my dad's side. My great great grandfather and his family sailed on the Ship Brooklyn voyage from New York to San Francisco charted by the cult.

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 09:09PM

Father's side, five godawful generations. Mother's side, none. She converted to get married. Huge mistake on her part.

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Posted by: Greyfort ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 09:10PM

I'm the only member of my family who was ever a Mormon.

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Posted by: mikemitchell ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 09:11PM

Missouri.

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Posted by: Shinehah ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 09:25PM

My ancestor was a strong Brigham Young supporter in Nauvoo when no one knew for sure who would replace dead Joseph Smith. He even named a son after BY to show his loyalty. Journeyed to Salt Lake with him. I have no idea if he was duped by Brigham or was actually a willing henchman.

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 09:28PM

Dad's side all the way back to Joseph Smitty.

Mum joined after she married dad.

Several ancestors were Joseph's bodyguards. As far as I know not one of my ancestors was one of his plural wives I'm happy to say. But he did pollute their minds!

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Posted by: exminion ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 09:56PM

Both my mother's and father's side of the family go back to the original few cult members. One was a member of the Smith family, one was their neighbor, and one was JS's counselor. They all knew each other, and were polygamists, except for the neighbor. It's the neighbor's family line that is lease "infected", and now more than half of those relatives have left the cult.

I think of them all as apostates, who left the approved church of their English ancestors to join a sick, polygamous, voo-doo cult.

My children are not the "apostates," as we have brought our family back into the basic "Christian" way of thinking.

Our developing brains in the Information Age are producing natural antibodies, to fight off the virus. Also, unconditional love works better than Vitamin C, to strengthen our immunity.

All those generations of human beings, who could have been effluvium. Rich, attractive, successful, high-ranking in the cult--yes, they are. Happy, loving and kind--not!

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Posted by: exminion ( )
Date: March 15, 2019 10:01PM

Edit--All those generations of human beings, who could have lived happy, normal lives, have instead become invected from JS spewing his virus all over them. JS and BY and the Mormons did some terrible things to my ancestors (stole their money and land, put them in harm's way, banished them, etc), yet they all stayed obedient to the cult. WHY???

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Posted by: cl2 ( )
Date: March 16, 2019 12:48AM

in my past including Martin handcart company. One grandmother was a convert, so that is not so far back, but her husband was the son of polygamists.

My grandparents were both deaf. They met in deaf school in Colorado when they were in 3rd grade. His family left to move to Utah and in his 20s, he went back looking for my grandmother. Her father made him promise that he wasn't part of polygamy and he told him he wasn't. At least my own grandfather didn't practice polygamy.

I only have one polygamist in my past thankfully. When I asked my dad about his family and if there were polygamists, he said they weren't THAT stupid.

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Posted by: mav ( )
Date: March 17, 2019 10:00PM


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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: March 17, 2019 11:48PM

That’s not fair to viruses. Mormonism is a parasitic infection. Give the blood suckers some credit.

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Posted by: Richard the Bad ( )
Date: March 18, 2019 03:06PM

Kirtland Ohio on one side of the family. That side came across with BY in '47. On the other side they converted in Denmark and went to Utah by handcart.

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Posted by: namarod ( )
Date: March 20, 2019 12:14PM

My Mormon Pioneer Pedigree goes all the way back to the Nauvoo days. They went west with the Saints to Utah. A group of them were sent by Brigham Young to Arizona were they settled in the area of Mesa, Arizona. My Mother is from Mesa. My Father was a convert.

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Posted by: namarod ( )
Date: March 20, 2019 12:28PM

My Mormon Pioneer Pedigree goes all the way back to the Nauvoo days. The Stewart's and the Troyer's families migrated west with the Saints to Utah. They were later sent by Brigham Young to Arizona were they settled and established the city of Mesa, Arizona. My Mother is from Mesa. My Father was a convert.

Alvin Franklin Stewart was my great, great, grandfather. He was the second mayor of Mesa.He was one of Joseph Smith's body guards and helped build the Nauvoo Temple. So I guess I am the product of Mormon Pioneer Royalty.

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