Crystal Legionaires who shouted shouted "Stop protecting sexual predators" during LDS Conference will go to trial next week.

SMH

Scientology used to take people to court endlessly in order to silence them.

For what?

For interrupting LDS Conference.

...Did something change from 3/31/2018 to today? Maybe she pulled a new, more exciting and entertaining stunt.

"Legionaires said she wasn’t cited or fined for the incident but security did escort her from LDS Church property. She stands by her actions and hopes the church does more to make a difference."

https://fox13now.com/2018/03/31/woman-behind-act-of-protest-at-lds-general-conference-discusses-decision-to-speak-up/

"SALT LAKE CITY — A woman who disrupted a session of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ General Conference will go on trial.

"Crystal Legionaires confirmed to FOX 13 she will face trial in justice court next week for disrupting a meeting, a class B misdemeanor. Legionaires declined to comment on her case ahead of trial but said she rejected a plea offer made by Salt Lake City prosecutors.

"Legionaires interrupted a session of the April 2018 Latter-day Saint General Conference when she shouted: 'Stop protecting sexual predators!' She was escorted from the building. Salt Lake City prosecutors apparently decided to pursue a criminal case."

https://fox13now.com/2019/05/16/woman-who-disrupted-lds-general-conference-to-go-on-trial/

...wow. "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste"....... ChicagoLand's Numero Uno.

...is this a serious crisis? Well.......apparently Church Legal thought so.

Kids screaming? Check.
Flatulence in the Chapel? Check.
Cheerios in the pews? Check.
Unsanitary Sacrament preparation? Check.

...are these being reviewed over Kirton McKonkie too?

Waste of taxpayer dollers.

Too many decibels within shouting distance of the lord's anointed.

But seriously, too bad she didn't try to rape a missionary because then the church would have defended her!

Taking her to court will certainly keep her message echoing around the net:

"Stop protecting sexual predators"


Mormonism, the religion of perpetual missteps.

Hopefully part of her defense will be laying out case after case of church cover ups of sexual predators for the whole world to see.

Prosecutors will probably suppress that evidence. Then violating that ruling would be contempt of court, which is her best chance for some actual jail time.

How do you suppress evidence that is already in the public record?

If you mean that the prosecutors will move to have it excluded on grounds of relevance, the defense could appeal. If the appellate court finds for her, the remedy would be remand to the lower court. There will be no question of contempt.

No, they could suppress that evidence. It has nothing to do with whether or not she committed the "crime" of disruption. But what a stupid move on the part of the county. Who would remember that she disrupted the meeting or even know what it was that she shouted? Now they've given her free PR and media. I mean, yes, I'm glad. I'm all about them exposing the many mormon sexual predators, and for good reason. But I think it's hilarious that THEY are the ones exposing it, not her. Who knows, maybe that's what they want. Possibly they're hoping that keeping it public will help them have to deal with fewer predators.

She goes to trial for shouting in Conference?

WTF???? Whats the law she has broken? Whatever happened to

freedom of speech or did they nail her for distubing the peace?


The church is like Nazi's. Kiss your freedoms away and act happy.

OMG. I'm so glad I'm out.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/18/2019 02:57PM by saucie.

She was disrupting a private gathering on private property, so I'm guessing that's why she doesn't have "free speech" rights. Those only pertain to the governments ability to jail you for the content of your speech. On private property, you can be charged with things like "disrupting a meeting".

Wait. The church has missionaries deliberately go disrupt what people are doing in their homes all the time.

They should go on trial!

True. However, she is a member of the organization, and as a result has an expectation that her input will be welcomed as much as any other member.

The Elks are a private organization. If a lodge leader were found to be protecting sexual predators, I am confident that the leadership would seriously investigate any accusations against that individual by a rank-and-file member. That's what "member" means- that each member has the right to have his or her voice recognized by the general body.

I wish her luck.

What a weird name she has! I thought it was the name of a group not a person.

If the LDS has any sense, it will deal with the issue fast. I find it amazing that a known rapist is being protected by the church and can't see how it benefits the organization in anyway. He's a Jonah to them. From a cynical POV, it's not even about doing the right thing, but damage limitation. So how has it been allowed to get this far?

Does he have Second Anointing or something?

I don’t think the church has ever heard of the Streisand Effect. Reneging on public agreements only exposes their duplicity. Civil disobedience is the point. The flaming bag of poo that they can’t help but stomp on with both feet. Works every time.

In fact, prosecution invites more of the same. More attention whores, people with an axe to grind, with a Messiah complex believing in purification through suffering. Gosh, I wonder where that came from.



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If the church can make a legal case against this woman for heckling "a meeting" where the public is invited, can school teachers do the same and throw out every disruptive annoying kid that won't shut up (and take them to court)?

I think there is a double standard here....

You don’t disrespect Mormon royalty. The money has gone to their high and mighty heads.

"disrupting a private gathering on private property. But she was a guest and was freely admitted in without any stipulation. The judge will throw this out ASAP. Sickening

Anyone who is harassed for attempting to expose sexual assault within an organization can have legal recourse against the organization.

Most of the people attending GC don't attend to listen to protesters, they go to hear the GAs & chosen speakers.

From their POV, she was disrupting a meeting which occurred on private property, thus any Constitutional guarantees of 'Free Speech' (freedom of expression/ First Amendment to the Constitution) didn't apply.

I don't think ChurchCo wanted this, but now 'has to' make a public example of her. Any penalties would most likely be a matter of a (misdemeanor?) Statute which the judge will most likely follow.

Do they honestly think it will deter wannabe martyrs? Or are they just too gutless to do responsible damage control?

I say go ahead, I’m all for bad PR. Although there’s actually no such thing as bad PR. Most people forget why the church was in the news. They go into Homer Simpson mode. Beeeeer.

Ironically, this will feed the heckler’s persecution complex to reinforce her belief that she’s in the right. She should be congratulated for taking the church’s teachings seriously.

Publicity of any sort may be good for the Kardashians and for real estate moguls trying to build a brand, but for a church there is certainly a disadvantageous variety. The Catholic Church is in the news all the times nowadays and is not profiting from that exposure.

The LDS Church is likewise in the news for negative things like homophobia, child abuse and coverup, excommunication of people of goodwill and integrity, etc. After a while people start to notice the tenor of the publicity and it makes a difference.

In this case the Q15 is in a bind. They don't want the attention that comes with suppression of protest, but they are even more concerned about copycat actions. So they bite the bullet and seek to make an example of her. She then responds in a way that maximizes the press coverage, thereby increasing the cost the church must pay. It's far from clear, at least to me, whether the church will benefit on balance or not.

At least the prophet didn't urge the TBMs in the audience to beat the protestors. So one could imagine worse leadership.

I wonder if someone has thought, "...can we pay her to sign an agreement to forever shut up about this matter and to never do it again, in exchange for cash and having the case dropped?"

In other words, clever, innovative use of an NDA paid to the defendant by the complainant in a criminal case!!



Hey, COB, you're welcome, bitches~!

I don't know scat about Utah law, but in the state of Washington, the complainant in a criminal case is always the State of Washington.

the defendant is always entitled to face any witnesses against her, an agreement could state that no one from the church will appear against her as a witness. Good Idea.

And then watch more people protest at the next conference.

Well hell, if there's good money in it...!!!

I'm in. Let's do it.

Yes, it would be wise for them to ignore it. However, the church leaders get their panties in a twist over the most petty crap.

Probable examples

-The TSA failed to recognize me as the great apostle
-Some pissant missionary forgot to use my middle initial when introducing me
-Some douchebag peon didn't stand up when my name was announced at the meeting

Let's see:

-They only allow their very own faithful members to attend (GC tickets)
-They won't allow any scruffy-looking person off the street to attend [Which is why Jesus has never attended one :D
-They have an army of ushers stationed to remove noisy patrons, people that won't sit down and those sleeping too loudly
-They have a gazillion CCTV cameras to watch for possible attackers (They are scared to death that NNN is going to sneak in and give Bednar a kiss on the lips)

I would see this as a big deal if this woman had fought her way in, but she came as an invited guest.

My parents tried in vain to see GC in person at the tabernacle, but they never had tickets. They had to sit on the grass and listen like the other toad stools.

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> And then watch more people protest at the next
> conference.

Escalation is a common tactic used by protestors, revolutionaries etc. It relies on a hard kickback, and reaction. If the LDS doesn't react much, then that doesn't happen. If it does, then the spiral begins and the situation gets more extreme for both aides.

It's worth remembering that the LDS is well used to outside attack so does have security paranoia. Don't you think Ed Dekker or LGBT campaigners haven't tried to sneak in?

* sides

Jordan Wrote:
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> Escalation is a common tactic used by protestors,
> revolutionaries etc. It relies on a hard kickback,
> and reaction.

Escalation was already occurring.


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> It's worth remembering that the LDS is well used
> to outside attack so does have security paranoia.
> Don't you think Ed Dekker or LGBT campaigners
> haven't tried to sneak in?

I'm not sure what your point is.

"Escalation was already occurring"

Yes, I think it is to some extent.

I don't know what the ex-MP is still doing in the church, as he is a bigger liability than the protestors. And as long as he remains in, people will notice who don't want to put loved ones in harm's way.

ChurchCo doesn't want GC's to be free-speech festivals, I don't blame them.

But since they REFUSE to consider member feed-back about serious problems, I don't fault protesters either.


In Morland, there are seldom middle-ground compromises.

If the church was wise (oxymoron) then it would delay its "live" satellite feed by 5-10 minutes. That way they could mute all the possible shout-outs and increase the static when speakers pause. I think more members are becoming tired of the church's dismissive tone of social issues.

I doubt there will be much of a serious penalty / consequence given out in case of a 'guilty' verdict, but IDK Scat about Utah laws.

TSCC want to make an example out of her speaking out in GC, a private venue where freedom of speech is not recognized.

Instead, the negative publicity of it taking the legal action is making bigger headlines that it surely wanted to avoid.

But that's because it's cents wise and pound foolish, like its ill thought leaders and legal un-savvy advisors.

She made The Spirit leave. Worst crime ever - irreverence.



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Was that The Spirit??

Something was haunting someone there....

Crime: violating the "Law of the Gospel," namely "evil speaking of the Lord's annointed."

Punishment: Execution by having chest cut open.

Technically she wasn't speaking ill. She was merely accusing and NOT criticizing.



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Seems she was just shouting out a suggestion - and a timely one at that.

What would Jesus do?

Probably Christ would loosen his belt and drive those money-grabbing "apostles" out who falsely claim to speak in His name.

Elyse Wrote:
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> What would Jesus do?

Right?

Speaking for Jesus isn't the same as being Jesus. I think those guys get confused. They think that they can fix and absolve themselves and others of wrong doing and they aren't to be criticized in their ways.

But even Joe didn't have a way to manage accusations. He had to destroy a press because it had credible information.

It's a great way to deflect attention away from the subject topic she posed though, ain't it?

By stoning the woman, they make her the 'bad guy' instead of them.

Perfect logic if you're the Pharisees.

Amyjo Wrote:
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> By stoning the woman, they make her the 'bad guy'
> instead of them.

That's "seer stoning."

Let's be honest, she made a CHOICE.

we should ALL be responsible for the consequences of our choices/actions.


these consequences won't be very serious because her action(s) weren't. Sure, she'll likely get a TBM judge, but she can insist on a jury trial & make her case.

Please, no more whining!!!

It should be thrown out just like she was.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2019 01:14PM by Elder Berry.

Her actions served a valid point, if she evades responsibility, that would diminish her point.

Responsibility for what? Disrupting a religious conference?

No, she made a STAND, and MORAL CHOICE to SPEAK UP, where it isn't POPULAR to DO SO.

She was a MAJORITY of ONE.

Sometimes all it takes is ONE VOICE to MAKE a DIFFERENCE.

People do LISTEN when the decibals are RAISED.

When Horton hears a WHO, it was a WOW moment in TIME.

WELL perhaps SHE WAS a WHO who was HEARD.

I AGREE! I support what she did, but that doesn't mean she should evade responsibility!!!

Just like the GAs should BE RESPONSIBLE for their choices/actions!!!!


Donnie Trump said he could shoot someone & not lose voters, that's what I'm talkin' about...



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Plus, if DT really did shoot someone on 5th Ave, you can believe enough people would take notice and throw his sorry ass in jail where he belongs.

lifted from another exmo board, Ms. Legionaires says:



"Hey all couple of developments at pre-trial today

"First, my charges have been lowered from a Class B Misdemeanor to an infraction, meaning it is now a bench trial, meaning the judge will decide, and there is no chance of jail time even if I do get convicted.

"Second, the date got moved. I thought this might be the case and as 9 am is already an ungodly early hour, I don't want anyone to show up wondering what the hell is going on. Because of unforeseen circumstances, it got moved all the way to August 14, same time. I would have liked to get this over with but 10 months of legal charges it is.

"I appreciate y'alls support and wanted to let you all know what's going on."

--https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/brcw5b/update_on_crystal_legionaires_trial/