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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: August 07, 2019 11:28PM

<GASP!> Some are even showing their ankles...

https://www.coveredbliss.com/

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: August 07, 2019 11:39PM

My view is that if the woman is wearing them of her own free will, I have no problem with it. Different societies have different clothes. Everyone doesnt have to dress like westerners. Some of them are quite pretty. If we are talking about the situation in Iran or Saudi Arabia where you can be arrested for not wearing a scarf, then I have a problem



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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 12:01AM

For some it shows pride in their heritage. I like wearing less, but they right to wear what they like and what reflects their culture.I read a story of a Muslim.girl living in the US. She wore the hijab and one of her school friends claimed she had no.choice because her father would beat her. She immediately texted him and said she had decided not to wear it anymore and asked him what he thought. He immediately texted back that it was up to her and none of his business. In fact in Egypt many younger women are choosing traditional dress over the objections of their parents who wear western clothes

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Posted by: anon2828 ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 01:03AM

I agree. I'd say most Muslim women in the U.S. are reclaiming the hijab for their own satisfaction, not because it's their only alternative to being subjugated by it. It's why I'm on the fence about how I feel about the hijab. However, even the Koran supports women's choice to wear it, so the struggle comes from cultural pressures within these communities (especially stricter nations). Since the U.S. supports individualistic values, Muslim women have true personal power without the same types of pressure, so I appreciate that for them, wearing the hijab is authentic self-expression. It becomes less of a symbol of religion and patriarchy subjugating women and more about women's personal values regarding fait (and personal clothing preferences). I like the hijab when women reclaim it for themselves.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: August 07, 2019 11:45PM

Yup. Just what we need. More clothing with religious overtones.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 12:03AM

So you get to.decide how women dress?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 12:15AM

I don't entirely agree, Dave. Fashion can be subversive, encouraging individuality and subtle political resistance. If you take a look at what women are wearing in Teheran and other large Iranian cities, for example, the extent to which they are using clothing against the mullahs is clear.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-current-fashion-in-Iran-How-do-Persian-men-and-women-dress

http://iranthisway.com/2016/04/11/iranian-women-welcome-new-fashion/

https://www.irangazette.com/en/about-iran/50-iran/trip-to-iran/1354-fashion-street-hijab,-iranian-style.html

http://www.justtrendygirls.com/iranian-women-fashion-trend/

Give women options and watch what happens. . .

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 12:19AM

Lets see what happens to them when they ditch that religious hijab.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 12:23AM

In Iran it is called a chador although not everyone wears it. .You can wear pants with a.long sleeved top so long as it is long top. Hijab is a scarf which covers all the hair. Iranians have to wear a scarf but it isn't quite that strict as I understand it. Women are resisting the dress code. At home, many wear what they want



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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 12:29AM

Where are you getting this nonsense?

In Iran it is called the hijab, and it is legally required. The chador is an entirely separate garment. Women rebel by pushing the hijab back and exposing a lot of hair as well as by wearing colorful, tight clothes.




ETA: I am amazed at people who, rather than acknowledging a mistake, go back and completely revise, even reverse, a previous post.



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Posted by: Topper ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 06:10PM

And in Saudi Arabia the black covering over the other clothing is called an "abaya".

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Posted by: Topper ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 06:22PM

Covers the hair, as well.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 12:34AM

Dave,

Urban Iran hates the government and is largely agnostic or nominally Muslim. People drink alcohol frequently and they often have affairs that few feel any need to conceal. If you want to discredit religion in the eyes of a people, let its leaders take over the government and just wait for them to discredit their faith.

Iran would be a natural geopolitical, and even cultural, ally to the West if it were not for the terrible history that produced the current mess. Don't underestimate the desire of the people to get past the mullahs' rule; don't underestimate the degree to which the bulk of the population has lost interest in Islam.



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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 11:39AM

"don't underestimate the degree to which the bulk of the population has lost interest in Islam."

If that were only true in Mormonism.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 03:57PM

and Lilly Munster dead white and black makeup...

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 04:10PM


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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 12:42AM

I know the chador is a separate garment although I didnt phrase it very well.Basically it is an cloak.which covers everything but part of the face and is worn outdoors or when men were present. Today it isn't quite that strict.A scarf, long pants and a long sleeved tunic must be worn.There are documentaries which show women on the streets dressed that way
A hijab covers the hair and neck as well as the forehead.It is a specific.head covering which isn't traditional in Iran Your own pictures show Iranians wearing a scarf, which is required and I never said it wasnt, but it shows hair. If it was a traditional hijab it would cover more.Feel free to look it.up



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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 10:02AM

I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, there isn't only one correct way to dress, and I think it's wrong for Westerners to impose our way of dress on others. But on the other hand it seems to me to be a way of repressing women. I don't like it when women are required to be covered up, but men aren't.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 01:48PM

Agreed.

But the goal is that women get to dress any way they want. In this case women who were once required to wear black and conceal their bodies and hair are dressing in ways that are so edgy that they inspire Iranians in Los Angeles. The authorities in Iran hate it, but when huge numbers of women don bright colors and tight leggings it becomes impossible for the mullahs to stop the liberalization.

One day the women will stop wearing the hijab at all. Then, after that has stopped being "radical," some of them will start wearing them again as a fashion statement. That is when they will be free: when they can adopt traditional wear as a personal choice, as a minor act of rebellion against the rebellion that has become the new status quo.

Give them freedom. The rest will follow.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 03:58PM

+1.0x10^9

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 04:12PM

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> Give them freedom. The rest will follow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7iQbBbMAFE

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 04:22PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uekZpkYf7-E


False Maria Robot Dance Scene from "Metropolis" (1926) -- Giorgio Moroder edit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JAHq-KFTAE



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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 04:27PM

Oh my.

From 3:00 to 4:00 I saw porn shoulders!

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: August 08, 2019 08:53PM

She turned down the role of The Bride in the "Bride Of Frankenstein."

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