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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 01:36PM

I believe it started when humans created history. They could write time down. Before that humans were orally fixated. When did quantification of time passing supersede the qualification of time passing? When did humans start to bean count their days, hours, years?

Do we really learn from history? When humans didn't have the large alarm clock on a heavy chain around their neck, did they experience their lives more meaningfully?

And speaking of time, work has changed for my time and I have less of it to post here. I'll be popping in but my prolific posting will end.

I'm deaf with the cheering I'm imagining hearing in a matter of time after click that "Post Message" button.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 01:49PM

when digital clocks were invented/marketed.

just sayin'

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Posted by: cl2 ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 01:52PM

I hope you aren't taking a break because of what has been going on. There are so few people I come here to read any longer. I just deactivated facebook for a bit. Now what will I do?

I guess I'll start listening to pod casts. I just hate listening to things ON THE COMPUTER as that is what I do for my job.

I can't think about when did time start? It just blows my mind.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 03:16PM

cl2 Wrote:
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> I hope you aren't taking a break because of what
> has been going on.

No. I've been very much a part of the sideline of that fracas. But I don't like having been a target for that particular poster. I felt like cannon fodder. Someone to pick on because they were more a spectator. It felt like being victimized again and that doesn't feel good.

So, maybe. But work has become more problematic. I need to tone down my activity here. I could spend all day here. Maybe when I get to retire(will I?) in 17-20 years?

Sorry you are tied to a computer. Would a tablet be better?

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Posted by: cl2 ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 05:52PM

It isn't fun to come here waiting to be targeted again.

I do documents for hospital and I use a full size keyboard as it is much faster for me to work. I earn my living by how many reports I edit, so the faster I work and the easier it is to do my work, then I earn more. So I use a monitor and keyboard and mouse hooked up to whatever computer I'm using. Right now a desk top, but I usually use laptops.

Was that a long enough explanation? I hate using my phone. So I'll just read a book or walk more! I need to walk more. I'm starting SS in 2 days (that is when I receive my first check) and I'll only be working an hour or two a day until my "husband" retires in 4 years and he pays off the house. Then I'll quit working if I so choose. I like my job, so I'm not sure what I'll do.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/12/2019 05:53PM by cl2.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: August 13, 2019 03:31AM

Normally I try to stay abreat of board squabbles, but I just couldn't with that last blowout.

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Posted by: Tevai ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 02:03PM

Time as we perceive it probably began with the Big Bang.

Time as we are able to conceptualize it probably began when hominins, or close relatives of hominins, began to realize that a regular sun-up to sundown to sun-up pattern repeated in life.

They wouldn't have needed any concept of numbers, only the realization that a pattern was involved, and that this pattern repeated regularly--regardless of "what" else (weather, earthquakes, etc.) was simultaneously involved.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/12/2019 02:10PM by Tevai.

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 02:32PM

Time and space are correlated, so I think so. When the Universe was the size of a basketball, that was all of space.

The “why” of the emergence of the Universe is a religious question. Why does it seem to have platonic values? Were we (or are we) before everything was?

Some scientists suppose a “big bounce” where the previous Universe collapsed to a singularity to produce the Big Bang. But then what was before the first bounce?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/12/2019 02:35PM by babyloncansuckit.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 02:04PM

way too early

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Posted by: Dr. No ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 02:14PM

kidding, Fun question.

Some make a convincing case that it doesn't actually exist - just as the equator does not actually exist - except as a shared construct of the mind.

One thing for sure: a perceived interval of time is not constant. Can test this yourself with any online timing app e.g. "reaction test" - and what seems constant, differs vastly - even though measured in milliseconds.

Bet SchröedingersCat would have something interesting here

P.S. - what was before the Big Bang? ;-D

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 02:15PM

Try to be as active as possible. You play a very important role here, EB.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 02:41PM

What gets me is how they figured out how long a second is, and that there are 60 of them in an hour, and 24 hours in a day!

That's where the fix is in with regard to Alien Visitors coming to earth to sell humanity a time/calendar franchise. I wonder what the early humans agreed to pay? And it would make sense that time would be sold on a per-unit basis, meaning that the more people who used it, the more the fees would be!

I wonder when the next payment is due?


But seriously, the observation that both the sun and the moon repeated definite, measurable patterns must have been a real breakthrough, a real feat of mental engineering...

And which would be more important do you think, the solar calendar or the lunar calendar?

If electricity were taken away, and we were forced to return to a hunting, animal husbandry and agricultural way of life, how often would you get your nails done?

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Posted by: Richard the Bad ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 02:53PM

I think the Solar calendar is, and was, always more important. Here is the Sun Dagger in Chaco:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1qdhU5Lw2A

And if we returned to hunting, agriculture, etc. You wouldn't need to get your nails done as they would be worn down naturally. You also wouldn't need to "work out" to stay in shape. Or save up money and leave time so you could go hunting or fishing.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 02:56PM

So, Richard, you're saying that 'Advertising' as a career, would not exist? Where's the fun in that!!

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Posted by: Richard the Bad ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 03:30PM

Well, you could still stand beside the road yelling "Rat on a stick", in order to sell your succulent roasted vermin.

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Posted by: tumwater ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 02:54PM

Does it matter when started?

Seems the only times things matter is the moment you were born and the moment you die. What happens in-between and what you do with that time is what matters.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 03:02PM

But how do you keep track of how much 'time' passes between your nocturnal emissions!

And when you ask a girl to go on a date with you, and she replies, "maybe later", how will you know when to finally conclude that she actually meant, "for sure, never"?


Here's an interesting factoid: it used to be that 12 o'clock noon in your city, wherever your city was, was when the sun reached the mid-point of its daily traverse across the sky. Not a big deal for the local residents, but when trains started running across the land, there was no way to coordinate a time table people could use to know when to be at the station.

We take "Time" way too much for granted.

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Posted by: Human ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 03:18PM

I don’t know.

What I do know is that Time keeps on slipping slipping into the future.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 03:20PM

I'm gonna fly like an eagle from here.

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Posted by: Human ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 03:27PM

Perhaps The Arrow of Time could reach a future where babies are fed, the shoeless shoed and the homeless housed...and good fellas have leisure enough to post as desired.

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Posted by: Richard the Bad ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 04:10PM

Hmm, here I thought that time waits for no one, but was still, somehow, on my side.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: August 13, 2019 01:51PM

Richard the Bad Wrote:
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> but was still, somehow, on my side.

Is ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
And you fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
It is kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way...

I don't know where.

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Posted by: Wally Prince ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 03:21PM

Time is really just sequentiality...things happening. Without sequentiality, nothing happens and there is nothing to think about.

Sh*t happens ergo time happens. Nothing stays the same. Everything is changing.

But in many things the changes occur according to patterns that can be observed over and over. The patterns correspond to other patterns.

The most reliable cyclical patterns become measurements that can be relied upon when trying to figure out how far along other typical sequential patterns are in their typical sequence.

When is the cold coming back? How long will the cold be here? When can we start planting seeds again that won't be killed by the cold before they can sprout and grow to maturity?

Joe and Jane did something and then there was a full moon and not a full moon and then a full moon and not a full moon and then a full moon and not a full moon and so on and so on until Jane gave birth to twins.

In the grass shack down by the river Bob and Betty did the same kind of something that Joe and Jane did and then after about the same amount of full moons Betty gave birth to Lulu.

Lulu started naming moons. Moon one. Moon two...and so on.

Most animals instinctively are aware of sequentiality. They don't plan or think about the future in any detailed or highly conscious way, but they react in ways that anticipate changes. Birds fly south because, instinctively, they are anticipating future changes. In that sense, they are "time conscious" just like humans.

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 04:29PM

“Time is what keeps everything from happening at once.” - Ray Cummings

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Posted by: EXON46 ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 03:53PM

To answer that you would need a TARDIS.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 04:16PM

How about differentiating between "Time" and Time-keeping"?

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Posted by: scmd1 ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 08:40PM

Yes. time would have always existed. At some point, creatures would have gained sufficient cognition to recognize patterns, particularly with regard to body functions, as measured against what we now know as time.

Some of the more obvious markers may have impacted females more than males. Menstrual periods happened with some degree of regularity. Cessation of a female's regular cycle during her years of fecundity often signaled the impending arrival of an infant. Regarding shorter-term time-keeping, infants presumably demanded to be fed at what eventually became regular intervals. Before the existence of diapers, mothers presumably had ways of timing their babies' needs for elimination. some of this may have involved reading their babies' bodies for cues, but there would likely have been a "timing" element as well.

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Posted by: scmd1 ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 08:47PM

My sister had to take an interdisciplinary course for her master's degree, and the only one that fit into her schedule was called "Time and Space." the course focused on time rather than space, which seems odd in that it was taught by an art professor.

She said it was mostly the art professor spouting complete madness about the irrelevance of "chronological time" as opposed to "personal time," which he favored. A physics professor who was supposedly co-teaching the course sat in the back of the lecture hall working on his laptop the entire time. My sister said most of the students were slurping the Kool-Aid and saying they no longer believed in chronological time before the course was over.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 04:57PM

“time” and “clocks” are a hoax invented by socialist liberals who want to control people’s lives.

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Posted by: Tevai ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 05:14PM

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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> “time” and “clocks” are a hoax invented by
> socialist liberals who want to control people’s
> lives.

:D

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 08:01PM

Elder Berry Wrote:
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> I'm deaf with the cheering I'm imagining hearing in a matter of time after click that "Post Message" button.

We don't have time for these matters... and if we did, would it make any difference?

Time exists as you take it... but you have to give it back.

What's a deaf cheer?
What is there to cheer about?

Cheers

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: August 13, 2019 01:49PM

moremany Wrote:
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> What's a deaf cheer?

The sound of one person clapping in their head.

> What is there to cheer about?

What time remains.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: August 13, 2019 02:12PM

I'll clap to that!

I'll cheer for LDSfree freedom.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: August 12, 2019 11:56PM

People who lived in regions of the world with seasons generally have many expressions for the passage of time -- others do not.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: August 15, 2019 05:58PM

According to Sumerian Cuneiform tablets earth time recording as we know it started about 7400 BC.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 15, 2019 08:27PM

And I believe the impetus was Local #144 of the Stone Masons, wanting to make sure that they stopped work the same time every day to have a beer.

Beer is the foundation of ALL civilization! I know, cuz I've watched the appropriate documentaries and we all know that documentaries aren't allowed to lie!


ETA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TBxj3tb-h4



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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: August 16, 2019 04:09PM

"Beer is the foundation of ALL civilization!"

That was an interesting video that if true basically proves "Modern Prophets" wrong except Joe Smith since he said mild drinks were ok. If Heber J. Grant were God's mouthpiece back at the dawn of beer history we wouldn't have much of history until beer happened.

Just another reason Mormonism is false. It wouldn't have been possible without beer but loves to claim it has a true take on history. Funny how "The Restoration" of God's truth is so very false to the ridiculous point. It makes me think the 19th Century was a mini Dark Ages to retrofit the ridiculous and absurd of developing modernity fit the past and intuiting a "better future."

Mormonism is an absurd failing anachronism in The 20th and 21st Centuries.

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Posted by: Human ( )
Date: August 16, 2019 07:39PM

Although the following from Bronzino is an Allegory of Passion, I’m struck by Father Time in the top right corner, with power to veil and unveil with his blue cloak:

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/08/30/16/5443352.jpg

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: August 16, 2019 08:51PM

Fascinating!!!

There is strong support for the notion that the painting was just a public health warning.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2966887/

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Posted by: Human ( )
Date: August 17, 2019 12:03PM

Heh.

But you know what they say, never go to the doctor to diagnose your allegory.

(Fun argument, nonetheless. I disagree with the idea of “strong support”, but I will agree that these kinds of “it’s just...” arguments for ambiguity in Art are becoming more popular. One problem is, there’s no one left that remembers the language of images. —One mistake in the interpretation is the idea that this depiction of Cupid and Venus is “scandalous”. Nothing doing. It’s ubiquity makes it almost a stock image, right down to the nudity, kiss, the nipple feel and the attempted theft of the crown.)

Dude went to the Art Critic to diagnose his syphilis and was given a Ruskinian treatise on the colour Yellow.

Incidentally, read Robert Frost’s “The Road Not Taken” and tell me it isn’t about...avoiding syphilis. Squint a little...there you go.


One thing is incontrovertibly true: should Cupid succeed at stealing that crown from Venus, you might get an STD. Dems the breaks, kid.

Cheers!

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