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Posted by: BeenThereDunnThatExMo ( )
Date: October 02, 2019 12:54PM

Growing up Mormon (circa 70's) I can specifically recall being told that we were NOT Christians...we ARE Mormons!!!

Here Marie Osmond is self-identifying as a Christian...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFv4bVXfUQA

So Enquiring minds wanna know just when EXACTLY did it become OK for Mormons to boldly claim that they are really just CHRISTIANS after all???

Or so it seems to me...

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Posted by: cl2 ( )
Date: October 02, 2019 01:08PM

20 years. Yes, I remember being specifically told we were not Christian when I was growing up.

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Posted by: loislane ( )
Date: October 03, 2019 12:57PM

I do too. We were way beyond Christianity.

Or maybe we were the only REAL Christians, since everyone else had fallen away, but we wouldn't use the word "Christian," since the phony Christians were using that name, and we needed a name to make it crystal clear that WE were the real deal.

The Christians did not have the truth. We did. We were the ONLY true church.

It was such a comfort to me to know that the only true church was within walking distance of my house.

How lucky can you get?

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Posted by: tumwater ( )
Date: October 02, 2019 01:20PM

How does a TBM over 50-60 years rationalize all the conflicts put out by SLC over the years?

We are the fastest growing.
We are not Christian, we are Mormons.
Mormon is offensive to the Lord... it was good for 180 years.
More than one pair of earrings.
White shirts
We are all about families.
Caffeine... coffee and tea out, hot chocolate and Pepsi okay.

On and on....

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: October 03, 2019 01:05PM

When I was a kid "Christian" was a dirty word which represented false religion that only had partial truths and were tools of Satan to thwart God's plan.

Now "Mormon" is a dirty word as Mormonism has joined the Christians to thwart God's plan.

It's all so confusing because even I think the very man-made "God's Plan" needs to be thwarted. Stat!

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Posted by: Wally Prince ( )
Date: October 04, 2019 12:20AM

We Mormons were the ONLY TRUE CHRISTIANS. The other brands thought they were true Christians, but they were sadly mistaken. Sure, they had parts of the truth. Had basically the same Old Testament and New Testament to work with. But we had the restored church, with polygamy, priesthood and prophecy for all. Real truth, justice and the Joseph Smith way.

We were the real beer. The others were just pale imitators.

Of course we believed in Jesus and were Christians. But with all the fakes and phonies out there calling themselves "Christians" we had to call ourselves Mormons. And being a Mormon was, by definition, synonymous with being a member of the only real, true and complete church established and endorsed by Jesus himself (acting through his horny, greedy, lying prophet, Joseph Smith).

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Posted by: Susan I/S ( )
Date: October 04, 2019 12:45AM

Same here.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: October 04, 2019 01:15AM

I was never told we weren't Christians. In fact.we were the only real Christians. We did use the term Mormon though so everyone would know which church we belonged to-namely the one true one.

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Posted by: 2 late 2 log in ( )
Date: October 04, 2019 01:51AM

Bruce R. McConkie, "Mormon Doctrine," CHRISTIANITY, p. 132:

"Christianity is the religion of the Christians. Hence, true and acceptable Christianity is found among the saints who have the fulness of the gospel, and a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom. In these circles it is believed and taught that Christianity had its beginning with the mortal ministry of our Lord. Actually, of course, Adam was the first Christian, for both he and the saints of all ages have rejoiced in the very doctrines of salvation restored to earth by our Lord in his ministry."

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: October 04, 2019 10:15AM

" . . . so-called Christians of apostate Christendom."

What a gem.

No wonder the new prophets need to distance themselves from not only the old, but the fairly recent "men of God" as well--- as quickly as possible.

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Posted by: macaRomney ( )
Date: October 04, 2019 10:31AM

Adam was the first Christain? makes you wonder what Bruce was smoking. An obvious reading of the old testament and it's clear that it's different religion in the BCE times.

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Posted by: Wally Prince ( )
Date: October 04, 2019 10:54PM

"Oh, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce! Seriously? MORMON doctrine? MORMON? Did you actually write a book purporting to expound upon and explain the core beliefs of our religion and faith...and give it the title 'MORMON Doctrine'? Did you therefore cause the members of Jesus's church to seek understanding of His gospel in a book called 'MORMON Doctrine'? Bruce, Bruce...you caused so much pain to Jesus."

If Russell is correct about the whole "Mormon" nickname thing, I guess Bruce wasn't very inspired at all. Russell be pee'n' on the legacy of all the past apostles and prophets who at one time were legends in their own time, revered and worshiped by the Mormon munchkins (now known as the "Members of the Church of Jesus Christ formerly mistakenly referred to as Mormons").

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Posted by: Richard the Bad ( )
Date: October 04, 2019 10:57AM

Interesting, I was always taught that we Mormons were Christians. But that was in the '60's and we lived far from Utah.

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Posted by: scmd1 ( )
Date: October 05, 2019 02:39AM

My dad grew up in the 50's in Utah. He says he was always taught that Mormons were Christians. My guess is that everyone had his or her own take on it and felt free to teach whatever it was he or she knew when they were in charge of a class or group.

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Posted by: Wally Prince ( )
Date: October 05, 2019 03:03AM

I don't think the church or any significant leader has ever stated that Mormons are not followers of Christ or believers in Christ. The Book of Mormon itself has Jesus Christ as a central theme.

What has happened from time to time is that some leaders have made a point of distinguishing Mormons from "those Christians"...meaning those Christians who don't have the "fullness of the gospel" and this has led to various incidents where they have debated the semantics of the "Christian" label. The Church has always rejected the more elaborate and detailed definitions of "Christian" that other "apostate" sects and theologians have developed. But only because the Mormon church leaders believe that they know more about Jesus and his mission than anyone else. For example, only TRUE Christians know that Jesus visited Zarahemla, just as only TRUE fans of popstar Teena Mabeena know about the tattoo on her inner thigh. You can't call yourself a true fan of Jesus, if you know nothing about his famous "Tour of the Americas" concert tour, where he literally destroyed and killed at every venue. Brought down the house...and more.

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Posted by: valkyriequeen ( )
Date: October 05, 2019 10:33AM

I remember being taught in adult SS class about percentages and your chances of where you were born in the world. There was a smidgen of a chance of being born mormon and how extra speshul we are for that to happen. Later, in Fast and Testimony meeting, I said that since the percentage was very small of your chances of being born in the church or coming across it somehow in this life, then we must be the ones who need the help the most. It's us, not them. That went over like a fully leaded balloon. I was taught that mormons were the cream of the crop of Christians and we are the only ones who have all of the truth.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: October 05, 2019 10:53AM

I don't recall Mormons having a problem with being considered Christian. They had a problem with being considered Protestant. And of course they couldn't be considered Catholic since that was the Great and Abominable. They smugly considered themselves the only true Christians.

Now that they can't call themselves "Mormons", they have to use the term Christian more, because they don't have any other good choices.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: October 05, 2019 07:16PM

That was what I was taught. We were the true Christian church.

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Posted by: cludgie ( )
Date: October 06, 2019 04:57PM

In the 1960's, we were always told that when people asked if we were Christians, to cheerfully answer, "No! We're not Christians, we're Mormons!"

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Posted by: notmonotloggedin ( )
Date: October 10, 2019 08:46PM

That's really the whole point of it. "We're Christians too, boo hoo".

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: October 10, 2019 10:04PM

We had our own Jesus when I was a Mormon kid. He never drank wine, but he did enjoy grape juice. His brother was Satan, the black sheep. Jesus was a goody two-shoes. Dad always preferred the ass-kisser, so Satan was reduced to a heavy metal icon, while Jesus got to ruin American politics.

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Posted by: Birdman ( )
Date: October 10, 2019 11:17PM

Oh so true,but aren't families forever?Apparently God wasn't holding family home evenings or else how could you explain Satan?

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Posted by: Anon for the moment ( )
Date: October 11, 2019 07:40PM

A long time ago, although the LDS long distanced themselves from other churches which were "apostate".

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