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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 06:51PM

I saw that video the other day and thought she deserved to have her hand slapped away. Yanked that way a man the pope's age could've fallen and broken something.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 07:53PM

Pfft. He's the Pope. No slapping!

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:21PM


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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:33PM

"social justice" means what ?

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Posted by: catnip ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:32PM

He is more than a decade older than I am, and I am often unsteady on my feet. At our age, we have to be extremely careful about sudden changes in balance. Falls can be lethal.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:46PM

I've seen that a few times: a physically and mentally vigorous older person falls, breaks a hip and is laid up for a week or so, and that brief period of inactivity makes a major difference in their intellectual as well as bodily health. I once saw a well and alert woman enter a hospital for hip surgery and in the space of a week lose her mind and die. It was quite a shock to witness.

I despise Pope Francis for his failure to deal with endemic molestation and concealment. But I think that knocking down the hand of a person who, in her thoughtlessness, endangers an older person is understandable even if in some senses suboptimal.

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Posted by: kathleen ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 06:59PM

What was she saying to him?

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 07:01PM

She was asking him if the Catholic Church has more money than los mormones...

That's the reason he reacted as he did! Cuz they don't!

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Posted by: kathleen ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 07:10PM

hahahahaha

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Posted by: CateS ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:48PM

Oh yes they do. Far more.

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Posted by: lurking in ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 07:17PM

If not, he may have to consider employing the whip ... like Indiana Jones and Jesus did.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 07:22PM

I would like to slap the pope.

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Posted by: stillanon ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 07:32PM

It would give you a change from polishing the bishop.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 07:27PM

She almost pulled him.over and then wouldn't let go. She startled him and possibly hurt him. He is 83 years old after all. Also considering the shooting of John Paul he may well have feared for his safery. She could have had a weapon. I wonder where security was. Oh, yeah, he publicly apologized the next day. Bottom line, you don't grab and jerk people like that.



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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 07:30PM

"you don't grab and jerk people like that."

But child rape is OK.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 07:32PM

Wait... Who was going to rape whom in that video?

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 07:35PM

Exactly. They are two separate subjects and the pope hasn't raped anyone that I know of .

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 07:37PM

How many child rapists has he protected ?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:44PM

Yes, whether his slapping that woman's wrist was appropriate is an entirely different, and less important, matter than what he has done to children.

His apologists tell us he really will help the kids; he just needs more time. Of course, he became pope nearly six years ago. . . And perhaps his most important move regarding child abuse was to prevent the American council of bishops from promulgating a new and more aggressive policy for containing and punishing child-molesting priests in the United States. Just wait, he and his defenders said, because Francis is putting the final touches on a universal strategy. But of course that church-wide strategy never came.

An old man has the right, I believe, to knock away the hand of a stranger who yanks him forcefully and won't let him go. But we should not forget that Francis is a man who continues to protect child molesters. Jesus's demand that people do no harm to little children is the rubric by which Francis will ultimately be judged--and condemned.

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:13PM

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> But we should not forget
> that Francis is a man who continues to protect
> child molesters.

WOW !! that is just like a real point !!!!

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:28PM

Thanks, Smirkorama. You know how deeply I respect your opinions.

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: January 02, 2020 01:03AM

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> An old man has the right, I believe, to knock away
> the hand of a stranger who yanks him forcefully
> and won't let him go.

> But we should not forget
> that Francis is a man who continues to protect
> child molesters.

the self assessed intellectually superior should not forget!!!!!! ......when they are not otherwise completely distracted with siding with the (child molestation facilitating) pope for being slappy ....and issuing endless self impressed dissertations on that topic !!!!!

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 02, 2020 01:09AM

I'm sure there are more creative ways to insult her. Calling her dumb isn't one of them.

Carry on

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: January 02, 2020 01:26AM

Beth Wrote:
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> I'm sure there are more creative ways to insult
> her. Calling her dumb isn't one of them.
>
> Carry on

Yah, well, you also appear to be pretty sure that she is "effin" intelligent..... She loves people like you!!!

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 02, 2020 01:34AM

She is very smart. That's not a bad thing. It's not a good thing. It just is.

Beat her up for something she might deserve. Someone's intelligence or lack thereof is not good grounds for any criticism. They're just ad hominem attacks.

I'm not saying agree with her. Hell, I disagree with her, but talk about substance and not style.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 02, 2020 01:50AM

An hour or two ago you applauded my criticism of Francis for tolerating child molestation and protecting child molesters. In your words, "WOW !! that is just like a real point !!!"

But now you criticize me for "siding with the (child molestation facilitating) pope."

What has changed, Smirkorama? My statements about the pope remain the same but your evaluation of them has just turned 180 degrees.

Why the inconsistency?



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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 07:56PM

I think that his security detail needs to step up their game. They should not allow anyone to grab him and jerk him.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:14PM

A few thoughts came to me when I saw that.

Yes, the woman was wrong and aggressive. She had just crossed herself and seemed desperate to reach him. I don't think she was trying to injure him. She probably didn't realize how dangerous and painful what she did might be for an older person. She probably feels horrible. But, I agree she was a jerk. She should have just given up on her one and only chance to touch him when he turned away.

Next, what struck me as possibly a glimpse into the real pope was that his reaction was to slap her and scowl. I've had situations like that where I was actually hurt and my first instinct was not to slap. I'd make a sound of pain but I've never slapped anyone no matter how much they deserved it or how mad I was. I found it odd that his automatic response was to hit a desperate woman's hand. Behind his waving and smile I wonder how much he really respects the people desperate to touch him.

Lastly, what is up with his security team? Why would they not be closer and on top of situations like that?

He obviously realized after the clip with his nasty scowl went viral what people will see about his inclination (or lack of) for compassion. I'm glad he apologized.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:16PM

She's a superstar in her building now, and that was always on her mind!

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:22PM

That expression could have been shock, fear or pain or a combination. Assuming it was only anger is just an assumption- maybe correct.maybe not. We also don't know what she said to him.He is human and acted spontaneously to being yanked. I don't think his reaction was out of line although if he had had the time to think about it, there probably were better ways to handle it.I would have probably slapped her hands too and used a bit of profanity to round it off.



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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:26PM

He wouldn't have needed to apologize otherwise IMO.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:36PM

He obviously regretted it but she was the one at fault or mostly at fault IMO. Perhaps she should apologize to him. I think this has been blown out of proportion anyway. She startled him and yanked him to the point he almost lost his balqnce. It probably hurt and may have though she meant him bodily harm. He was annoyed,possibly in pain and possibly scared and slightly slapped her hand away. He may be pope but he is also a human being . I would probably have reacted in a similar way myself.



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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:29PM

dagny Wrote:
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She should have just given up on her one
> and only chance to touch him when he turned away.

This is the problem with the worship of ecclesiastical figures, be they Joseph Smith, Prophet Rusty, EL-ron Hubbard, or Pope Francis.The entire episode strikes me as a ridiculous parody of the "woman with the issue of blood" who wanted nothing more than to touch the hem of Christ's robe. At least she got healed!

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Posted by: kathleen ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:44PM

Maybe she was a crazy person; but, I wonder what was in that woman's heart when she felt so badly that she needed to touch the pope.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:46PM

Maybe she was a fanatic, mentally ill or just wanted her 15 minutes of fame. Who knowa?



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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:45PM

How about Elvis the Beatles or some.political figures such as JFK? You.don't have to be a religious leader to have fanatical fans who don't know how to behave.

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 09:19PM


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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 09:38PM

Maybe, but considering the number of celebrities who have been killed and wounded by 'fans' I can't blame him for reacting.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 08:57PM

He's not the only person to work a rope line, and this ain't his first rodeo with supplicants who want to touch a piece of God.

He's a religious rock star. He's a religious Beatle!

No slapping! He knows better. If he and his posse can't deal with the rope line, put his ass in the Pope Mobile.

Don't slap the untouchables.



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Posted by: kathleen ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 09:17PM

+ 1

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 09:37PM

Spot on, Beth.

This is an organization where some people are trying to touch anything in hopes of being healed, blessed, close to God, etc. They try to kiss rings and want to show their respect. The Church knows full well they have zealous believers out there and encourages that kind of devotion. They shouldn't be surprised if believers act out. The woman had just crossed herself and seemed shocked to be scolded. I'm guessing she found a way to apologize back.

What did they expect is going to happen to holy celebrity rock star in a crowd? They screwed up. Any celebrity knows what can happen if the fans get close.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 09:42PM

And John Paul was shot by a man in the crowd who appeared to be there to be there to see the pope. How do you tell who is a potential assassin and who is an overdramatic Catholic who wants to touch the pope? Short answer- you cant.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 09:45PM

They need to take that thing out of storage because clearly he's not being protected by God.

The People's Pope? Not so much.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:20PM

I've seen the popemobile. It is a mercedes so it is an endless money pit on repairs.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:23PM

Looks like a toy prize from a cereal box.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:37PM

>>How do you tell who is a potential assassin and who is an overdramatic Catholic who wants to touch the pope? Short answer- you cant.

So possibly he just happened to turn to walk away right in front of the person who wanted to assault him! What a coincidence! Plus she went to all the trouble to cross herself for show. I wonder where she was hiding her gun.

Point taken though. We don't know her motives. I hope she speaks out to tell what happened from her perspective.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 02, 2020 05:27AM

Where was John Paul's would be assassin hiding his gun? How about the killers of the Kennedys or MLK or John Lennon? It isn't that hard to hide a handgun or knife. A.rifle is a bigger problem Not saying that is what she was doing, If she had a weapon, we would know by now. If I were as well known as the pope and someone grabbed me that way, it would certainly cross my mind that she might be trying to harm me.

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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:20PM

She will likely feel bad all the rest of her life, unfortunately for her.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:27PM

The rest of her life will be an act of contrition.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:30PM

I can see her already, yanking on the hand of a priest and demanding that he shrive her.

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 09:57PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/trump-s-new-limo-cost-16m-comes-fridge-his-blood-n912841

...to keep him safe.

I'll settle for a nice Wrangler, jacked up with deep-cleat rock-climbing tread and off-road lights.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:03PM

They're from old money. No need to flash the cash. ;)

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:06PM


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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:10PM


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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 11:06PM


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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 11:11PM

Asking for Graydon Carter.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 11:37PM

I almost went with that joke, you bad, bad woman!

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: January 02, 2020 05:40AM


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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:22PM

I'd give anyone who voices an apology a bit of slack;

yes, his 'people' should have done a better job, but his holiness choose to be so close.


I've attended Mass a few times with a friend & I limit comparisons between ChurchCo & the G&A; Catholics are much more about pure religion (Kindness, Honesty, etc) - not withstanding this incident - than most Mormons, that's plain to me.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 01, 2020 10:25PM


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Posted by: azsteve ( )
Date: January 02, 2020 04:49AM

I wouldn't fault an average person in this case. But the pope isn't an average person. If she had hit him in the face with her fist, would he have doubled-up and swung back with a fist?

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: January 02, 2020 08:26AM

Monson would have used the back of the hand.

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Posted by: valkyriequeen ( )
Date: January 02, 2020 10:06AM

IMO, the pope was out of line; if he decided to walk amongst his people, he and his body guards are aware of the risks involved in doing so. The pope was born and raised in Argentina. My husband said his reaction is typical of Latin American culture.

If you do something wrong in public, you'll receive an immediate reprimand; none of the :"Just wait until I get you home" business.

Not condoning the pope's reaction, but that is probably why he reacted the way he did.

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