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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: January 07, 2020 09:33PM

to thine own self be true, and it must follow. as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man!

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 07, 2020 09:40PM

Brevity is the Soul of Wit

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 06:37PM

Just do it.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 07, 2020 09:43PM

Do you think I am easier to be played on than a pipe?

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Posted by: kathleen ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 01:24AM

Love these quotes.
:)

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 01:29AM

Some revelations are of God.
Some revelations are of men.
And some revelations are of the Devil.

(Joseph Smith, when his agents returned from Toronto without having sold the Book of Mormon.)

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 10:36AM

“A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.”
― Steve Martin


As long as we are overstating the obvious.


As far as the OP's quote goes, I find that in order to be true to one's self, one must play one's cards close to one's chest, very close. I'm not sure what two should do though. Things are much more complicated for two.

Sometimes the only way to guard ones privacy is to mislead, as in being false to others. Gets hard to say the truth and let the chips fall where they may. Very hard.

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Posted by: laperla not logged in ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 11:03AM

Sitting here trying to figure out how to drop of the face of Mormon earth. Being stalked by LDS relatives.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 11:16AM

I guess in the context of the OP quote, not being false to any man may be interpreted as doing whatever it takes to distance yourself from any man and that goes double if they are Mormon.

Good luck. Perhaps you shouldn't be the one to drop off the face of the earth. Perhaps that would be a nice suggestion for them.

Hope you are okay, laperla.

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Posted by: laperla not logged in ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 12:18PM

I'm pretty nutty and the past Mo abuse is surfacing at night.

At the same time stalking ramped up.

My friend says it's displacement. (I keep thinking of Fester and the evil "psychiatrist" on the Adams family. Don't get me wrong, I like Fester.)

I feel like I need to protect myself.

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Posted by: laperla not logged in ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 03:26PM

Just wanted to clear that up.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 12:44PM

An interesting view. Polonius is a humorous figure whom Hamlet calls a "tedious old fool." He is kept around largely because he pleases the king with platitudes that sound good but are almost always wrong in the context of the play.

I think you've indicated the superficiality in "to thine own self be true. . ." quite effectively. Everybody to one degree or another must protect his integrity through discretion. When someone asks "how are you?" they don't really care about the answer and you have no obligation to say "well, my mother is dying of cancer, I hate my spouse, and my dog just died." A simple "I'm fine, how are you?" is dishonest but entirely appropriate.

That is of course a trivial example, but the fact remains that boundaries are important. For a young gay person growing up in the church or some other rabidly homophobic community, being "true to thyself" publicly is an invitation to disaster. In fact the gay person owes no one "the truth." The appropriate, the moral, course is to deny others information to which they have no right.

Perhaps Polonius's sentiment would better have been phrased something like "to thine own self be true and let the rest be damned."

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 12:49PM

No perhaps about it. Your rephrasing is the way to go.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 02:08PM

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> An interesting view. Polonius is a humorous
> figure whom Hamlet calls a "tedious old fool." He
> is kept around largely because he pleases the king
> with platitudes that sound good but are almost
> always wrong in the context of the play.
>
> I think you've indicated the superficiality in "to
> thine own self be true. . ." quite effectively.
> Everybody to one degree or another must protect
> his integrity through discretion. When someone
> asks "how are you?" they don't really care about
> the answer and you have no obligation to say
> "well, my mother is dying of cancer, I hate my
> spouse, and my dog just died." A simple "I'm
> fine, how are you?" is dishonest but entirely
> appropriate.
>
> That is of course a trivial example, but the fact
> remains that boundaries are important. For a
> young gay person growing up in the church or some
> other rabidly homophobic community, being "true to
> thyself" publicly is an invitation to disaster.
> In fact the gay person owes no one "the truth."
> The appropriate, the moral, course is to deny
> others information to which they have no right.
>
> Perhaps Polonius's sentiment would better have
> been phrased something like "to thine own self be
> true and let the rest be damned."

I wonder how well Laertes followed his father's advice?

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 03:27PM

and if you're gonna kill Hamlet, don't accidentally kill yourself, Laertes. <-- THAT would have been good advice.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2020 03:28PM by Beth.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 12:37PM

Wrong place



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2020 12:43PM by Lot's Wife.

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Posted by: laperla not logged in ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 12:50PM


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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 12:40PM

Also Steve Martin:

"ALWAYS... no, wait--NEVER...no, wait...ALWAYS carry a litter bag in your car. It doesn't take up much room, and if it gets full, you can toss it out the window.”

Much like previous mormon prophets.

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Posted by: fossilman ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 11:18AM

If it weren't for space and time, I wouldn't be where I am today.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 11:56AM

Find me a self that makes any sense and then I will try to be true to it. My existence is based upon lying to myself to get me through a day.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 12:51PM

Yeah. As long as we are playing our cards close to our chest it may be best not to look at them at all?

Even at my age I still don't know who the hell I am I just know who the hell I'm NOT and that is working well enough.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 01:07PM

Done & Done Wrote:
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> Even at my age I still don't know who the hell I
> am I just know who the hell I'm NOT and that is
> working well enough.

And leaving Mormonism was a great way to being true to my self as a living being and not myself as a concept.

Something as illusory as a "Self" can only be indirectly observed. We are too close for realistic observations.

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Posted by: kathleen ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 02:03PM

The first quote, "above all ..." struck me as "don't be the person that everyone else wants/expects you to be."



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2020 02:50PM by kathleen.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 02:06PM

I really appreciate all the comments from the members of this forum. sometimes I think that you think things through. Sometimes not. However we are here to recover:
Each in his own words--Each in his own way.

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Posted by: kentish ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 02:25PM

Love famous quotes but they are often delivered inaccurately or incompletely. One favorite example is a famous Churchill quote often delivered inaccurately as "Never give up," or incompletely as "Never give in."

What he said was: "Never give in, never, never-never, in nothing great or small, large of petty - never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense."

The last part is so important to the first and kind of underlines my own let the chips fall where they may attitudes to stepping away from Mormonism.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 03:30PM

But he got some great lines. Shakes liked him some satire.

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 02:46PM

Just keep giving a testimony until you gain one.

(To thine own self lie, and to others lie, until the lie becomes truth)

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Posted by: laperla not logged in ( )
Date: January 08, 2020 06:20PM


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