Adolf Hitler has had his temple work done and even has Eva Braun sealed to him - and the two are now proud Mormons. I bet Adolf is looking forward to the day he'll pick up a ton of extra wives...

Also Ted Bundy, Josef Stalin, Chairman Mao and so many other murderers through the years.

Not sure about Charles Manson. I think he's still not done but will when his name fades more from the public conscience.

How about Martin Luther King? Have they done his work?
Malcolm X?

Have they become Mormons yet?

Families forever ---> Multiple wives in CK ---> Whose family does anyone go to for Christmas and Thanksgiving dinner?

Malcolm X sure would be offended to be baptized Mormon. I read his biography by Alex Halley and for most of his life he hated whites, but as he grew a little older he realized he was wrong, and grew to respect the whites. But Malcolm did state that going on the pilgrimage to Mecca was the greatest highlight of his life. It was a deep spiritual experience to bathe in the holy River, or whatever the Muhammadans do.

   > But Malcolm did state that
   > going on the pilgrimage to
   > Mecca was the greatest high-
   > light of his life. It was a
   > deep spiritual experience to
   > bathe in the holy River, or
   > whatever the Muhammadans do.


I giggled with joy as I repeated, outloud, "It was a deep spiritual experience to bathe in the holy River, or whatever the Muhammadans do."

Mike drop! almost...

elderolddog Wrote:
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>    > But Malcolm did state that
>    > going on the pilgrimage to
>    > Mecca was the greatest high-
>    > light of his life. It was a
>    > deep spiritual experience to
>    > bathe in the holy River, or
>    > whatever the Muhammadans do.
>
>
> I giggled with joy as I repeated, outloud, "It was
> a deep spiritual experience to bathe in the holy
> River, or whatever the Muhammadans do."
>
> Mike drop! almost...

Although I know very little about Islam (and most of what I do know, I know from Muslims who live in southern California who I personally interact with--so: besides Ramadan, not much)....I have never before seen, or heard, or read of "bath[ing] in [a] holy River" in Islam.

If this IS a "thing" in Islam, I assume it is a carryover of the mikvah concept from Judaism (and Christianity as well: Jesus's baptism in the Jordan River, and the concept of Christian baptism generally).

That being said, I do not understand the giggle, or the "Mike drop."

If this IS a Muslim practice, what is amusing about it?



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   Mac was just contributing to the hilarity that is his offering to RfM. But of course, this is a belief I hold personally, and it is not to be construed as a form of preaching or religious edumacation.


I'm saddened that the dependant phrase, "...or whatever the Muhammadans do..." did not bring out the giggles in you.

elderolddog Wrote:
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> I'm saddened that the dependant phrase, "...or
> whatever the Muhammadans do..." did not bring out
> the giggles in you.

Although Muhammadan/Mohammedan (etc.) was, at one time, commonly used in non-Muslim books/articles/etc., this word is (in contemporary times) often fairly offensive from a Muslim perspective. [The reason is that Muslims respect Mohammed (born 570 C.E.-died 632 C.E.), but--as monotheists--do not worship him. He is a historical prophet, but has never been a deity of any kind within Islam.]

A similar situation would be the use of the word "colored" (meaning: Negro), and certainly in American life. I was raised to believe that "colored" was a more polite, socially PREFERRED term, to any alternatives, BUT post Civil Rights Era, then and now, says that the preferred usage is "black," and "colored" is now outright offensive. (There are similar situations in American culture concerning Native Americans, Jews, Asians, etc. What may be okay/preferred language at one point in American or wider history may be a "no, no" at a future historical point.)

I personally know a number of immigrants to the United States who came from predominately Muslim lands (particularly Iran), and whether they are Muslim or not (actually, most of them are Iranian Jews), they are united in considering the word Muhammadan (no matter how it is spelled in English) to be deeply offensive.



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Even "black," a term I still use, is sort of dubious now. African-American is preferred, which makes sense since the analogue is Asian-American or Irish-American rather than Yellow-American or Disappears-in-Snowstorm-American.

As for the notion that naming religious followers after a famous founder/leader, the term "Mormon" comes to mind although the LDS are obviously of two minds about that. And with regard to "Mohammedans," yes it does have a distinctly 19th century feel to it--and it is an offensive term.

For some reason people seem to care about what other people call them. Strange, I know. . .

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> Even "black," a term I still use, is sort of
> dubious now. African-American is preferred, which
> makes sense since the analogue is Asian-American
> or Irish-American rather than Yellow-American or
> Disappears-in-Snowstorm-American.

I agree with you that African-American is the most preferred term.

For some reason, "African-American" was [temporarily, I hope] missing from my brain when I wrote my post.



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My favorite African American is Charlize Theron.

Tevai Wrote:
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> elderolddog Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm saddened that the dependant phrase, "...or
> > whatever the Muhammadans do..." did not bring
> out
> > the giggles in you.
>
> Although Muhammadan/Mohammedan (etc.) was, at one
> time, commonly used in non-Muslim
> books/articles/etc., this word is (in contemporary
> times) often fairly offensive from a Muslim
> perspective.
>
> A similar situation would be the use of the word
> "colored" (meaning: Negro), and certainly in
> American life. I was raised to believe that
> "colored" was a more polite, socially PREFERRED
> term, to any alternatives, BUT post Civil Rights
> Era, then and now, says that the preferred usage
> is "black," and "colored" is now outright
> offensive. (There are similar situations in
> American culture concerning Native Americans,
> Jews, Asians, etc. What may be okay/preferred
> language at one point in American or wider history
> may be a "no, no" at a future historical point.)
>
> I personally know a number of immigrants to the
> United States who came from predominately Muslim
> lands (particularly Iran), and whether they are
> Muslim or not (actually, most of them are Iranian
> Jews), they are united in considering the word
> Muhammadan (no matter how it is spelled in
> English) to be deeply offensive.


Wonder if the NAACP knows this?

OneWayJay Wrote:
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> Tevai Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > A similar situation would be the use of the
> word
> > "colored" (meaning: Negro), and certainly in
> > American life. I was raised to believe that
> > "colored" was a more polite, socially PREFERRED
> > term, to any alternatives, BUT post Civil
> Rights
> > Era, then and now, says that the preferred
> usage
> > is "black," and "colored" is now outright
> > offensive. (There are similar situations in
> > American culture concerning Native Americans,
> > Jews, Asians, etc. What may be okay/preferred
> > language at one point in American or wider
> history
> > may be a "no, no" at a future historical
> point.)

> >
> Wonder if the NAACP knows this?

The NAACP was founded in 1909, one hundred and eleven years ago.

Sometimes (though definitely not always) when a name or symbol is chosen in one century, it becomes anachronistic as the far future becomes the present. (Think of all the "Redmen" and tomahawk and drum symbols which were adopted in the last couple of centuries, as high school or college nicknames and identifiers, and are now--to a large extent--being renamed and resymboled....but not always.)

In the case of the NAACP, the anachronism today serves to emphasize the countless, known and unknown, historical sacrifices of the past (when "colored" meant "less than" in the larger society), which have, over time, become the foundation of our present and our future.

Today, every time anyone mentally or verbally sounds out the words symbolized by the NAACP acronym, they are paying homage to all those who have been the victims of historical maltreatment.



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does not involve bathing in a river

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj

Maca was just showing off his profound understanding of comparative religion by confusing Islam with Hinduism. The latter, of course, ritually bathe in the Ganges River.

It's not surprising that he conflates the two. They all look alike to him.

What's the basis for this 'information' that A. Hitler's "temple work" has been done for him...

,
'official' BS from ChurchCo, pray tell?

Do they officially release this 'information' for other persons / celebs?

Or, was the origin of this someone ( from when, where) claiming that they had Herr Hitler's name & 'went thru for him'?

Have you tried google?

Helen Radkey has found that information

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/hitlertemplework.htm

https://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-10-people-posthumously-baptized-by-mormons-2012-3

OK, thanks, I could have thought of that;

Unfortunately we live in a time when photographs & documents are easily forged (ask Mark Hofmann!).

to me, this is all ca-ca, because in Alma we read (not that Mormons are consistent, mind you) that people don't repent after they die (34:34?). It says that people must repent (sorrow, confession-admission, restitution, etc) Before they die.

O that 'darn' BoM, always - often goofing up ChurchCo!!