More than 1/3 of those victims were under the age of 10. That's 1/15 girls under age 10 are being abused.

https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2020/10/9/21506571/guest-opinion-utah-sexual-assault-young-girls-victims-parental-guidance?fbclid=IwAR29crHMKBtl7AtYJhv10Of5ZEHkha2HglC3_kzDgsefdl-cqmQCXcPMcBM

This is what passes for perfectly normal, perfectly acceptable in a society dominated by a doomsday CULT that forces its members to sing the praises of a rapist who abused his power over his followers to rape their wives and teenage daughters.



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How do they define sexual assault?
Those statistics sound implausibly high.

"Unwanted sexual contact, from kissing to intercourse."

It's a pretty wide gammut, but if you're kissing a child who doesn't want to be kissed, I'd count that as sexual assault, especially if the child feels like it's totally inappropriate! Mormonism (like many patriarchal dogmatic religions).

"And research shows most youth want more parental guidance. A Harvard study surveyed over 3,000 18-to-25-year-olds and found that 70% said they wished they had received more information from their parents about romantic relationships. And 76% of respondents had never had a conversation with their parents about how to avoid sexually harassing others. Just because it’s uncomfortable doesn’t mean it’s not vital!"

+schrodingerscat:
What about looking at a women? Why not count that as a sexual assault as well?

When you said assault, I thought you were talking about getting beat up, having your cloths torn off and then you get raped.

Can we not bunch the different cases? Can we unfuse them?

"This is what passes for perfectly normal, perfectly acceptable in a society dominated by a doomsday CULT that forces its members to sing the praises of a rapist who abused his power over his followers to rape their wives and teenage daughters."

==Aren't you being a little rough on the mormons?
How many of these assaults are being conducted by mormons?

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iceman9090 Wrote:
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> When you said assault, I thought you were talking
> about getting beat up, having your cloths torn off
> and then you get raped.

You're confusing assault with battery.

"The definition of assault varies by jurisdiction, but is generally defined as intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Physical injury is not required."

+olderelder:
Thank you for the data.
So, how can I give a thumbs up in these forums?

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iceman9090 Wrote:
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> How many of these assaults are being conducted by
> mormons?

He will have no response. Cat's world has been reduced to things that fit in his box and things that don't. I've never been able to tell if it is rage, unaddressed trauma, or just a theme he really likes to beat like a drum.

I was molested as a child. I stopped believing when I learned Joseph Smith was a sexual predator. I have all the reasons to be enraged and I was for several years. Thank goodness I was able to resolve some of that anger.

I'm not the least bit surprised, but I wonder if it's more than that. How many mormon women get to adulthood before they really face the fact that they were abused. They're not taught that there are ways that are inappropriate for a family member to touch them, they're just taught that it's inappropriate for them to touch themselves that way. So they spend their whole teenage and young adult years in shame, shame for touching themselves in completely natural ways, shame for lying to bishops who got their own jollies by talking to young girls in a sexual manner and asking about it. Then girls just rush into marriage with the first thing that comes along because they have completely unhealthy attitudes about sexual desire, and quickly find out that marriage just for sex was far from worth it.

Several more liberal churches use the OWLS program (Our Whole Lives Sexuality) to teach sexual education in a religious setting. Good comprehensive sex education that includes good discussions on relationships, self-esteem, birth control and STD prevention, good reasons to delay sex (not having to do with hell) and info about incest and abusive situations leads to such better outcomes.

Per the op-ed piece the stats reported are: “having experienced sexual violence by anyone (including kissing, touching, or being physically forced to have sexual intercourse when they did not want to, one or more times during the 12 months before the survey”

So a teen girl in Utah who was kissed or touched without having given permission gets her vote given equal weight as a teen girl forced to have sexual intercourse ‘when she didn’t want to’.

Joseph Smith’s legacy only lives on in Utah.

Or might the be some other factor in play here?

+elderolddog:
"So a teen girl in Utah who was kissed or touched without having given permission gets her vote given equal weight as a teen girl forced to have sexual intercourse ‘when she didn’t want to’."

==I agree.
If they want to group it all together and say the total amount of sexual assault is this, I'm fine with that.
Can we also release the unfused numbers?


"Joseph Smith’s legacy only lives on in Utah.
Or might the be some other factor in play here?"

==I don't think it has anything to do with Joseph Smith unless if the guy said it is ok to force yourself on women. Yes, I have heard that Smith has told women that they absolutely must marry him or else god would get angry. I would tend to believe that. There is no other reason why a christian woman would want polygyny.

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CateS Wrote:
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> How do they define sexual assault?
> Those statistics sound implausibly high.
I agree

She used to pick me up and give me a big slobbery kiss. I hated it. I never knew I was being sexually assaulted.

The numbers sound inflated to me. I think the problem with stories like this is it makes people tend to ignore when there are real issues.

I think it would be helpful to know the stats from other IMW areas, some of which are heavily Mormon.

This statistic would depend on the definition of sexual assault that is used.
So clarify the definitition then calculate the result.

“Does your toilet swirl the wrong way? Read what leading scientists have found out!!!”

Perhaps a good measure is what crimes would trigger a predator status-consequence (registration); are they uniform among the states?

Oh Ya, let the drama begin!

this is prime example of the over exaggeration and sensationalism of the neo-feminist movement. What's really going down is a bunch of up tight females (not ladies) who hate systems of oppression and in the ever dwindling pool of scapegoats they've decided to throw all their hate on men. They are offended that they have men bosses, that they have to work with men, that they have to listen to sexist jokes, that they get to be mansplained at. That men out rank them in job performance, in salaries, promotions, etc.

So in the freshmen hook up culture there are a bunch of awkward girls who score about a 5 (or less) in looks but are tired of being virgins, so they get some equally average guy to do the deed after a keg party, then the next morning they realize the mistake and instead of taking ownership of stupidity they pass the blame, they seek to "destroy the evidence" (To kill a Mockingbird). This is where most of the rape hysteria is actually coming from.

For more information on this subject read Heather McDonalds classic work 'Diversity Delusion'

+macaRomney:
"So in the freshmen hook up culture there are a bunch of awkward girls who score about a 5 (or less) in looks but are tired of being virgins, so they get some equally average guy to do the deed after a keg party, then the next morning they realize the mistake and instead of taking ownership of stupidity they pass the blame, they seek to "destroy the evidence" (To kill a Mockingbird). This is where most of the rape hysteria is actually coming from."

==That's the problem with this kind of statistic. They give a form and ask them to fill it out. But where is the form? What were the questions?
In the end, it is just a piece of paper and and ink.

Other statistics, such as drunk driving, are more reliable. The detectives can look at the crash, take pictures, test for blood alcohol levels, check the record that the car computer kept.
We can even put you in a room, make you drink glasses of wine and test your reflexes.
That is the scientific way to proceed. Giving people a form to fill out is not scientific and I think a lot of psychologists use that method.

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Yeah, that sounds really high. If it's true, thats what you get when you have a bunch of h*rny mormon guys forbidden from s*x until marriage running around.

It does seem high, especially if you factor in the accessibility of porn. Sexual assaults are down because guys use that outlet. In Mormon country, I expect they would use it a lot and the network data bears that out.

https://www.exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,2338868,2338959#msg-2338959

So this isn't made up?

"As the director of the Utah Women & Leadership Project, I spend much of my time sorting through such statistics, translating data and finding patterns, and much of it is troubling."