My family is Mormon afaik except for my 2 cousins who are around my age. I have the aaronic priesthood but voided that today by looking at hentai lmao. One of them told me about the temple ceremonies and the Masonic shit while I was sleeping over at their house, and I ended up reading the whole CES letter until 4
AM. I’m reading other stuff too.
What the hell do I do?

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I forwarded your email address to David Bedknobs, as a test of your sincerity. I told him not to involve your family...



J/K

To thine own self be true.

elderolddog Wrote:
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> I forwarded your email address to David Bedknobs,
> as a test of your sincerity. I told him not to
> involve your family...
>
>
>
> J/K
>
> To thine own self be true.

Dunno who that is, but I’ll try to follow that advice. Got any more? Thanks anyways
OHH DAVID BEDNAR I SEE LMAO



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Over on the reddit platform:
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmoteens/

I'm amazed at how so many young people are waking up and avoiding decades of Mormon misery. I wish I was this critically thinking when I was in that age group.

cricket Wrote:
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> Over on the reddit platform:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/exmoteens/
>
> I'm amazed at how so many young people are waking
> up and avoiding decades of Mormon misery. I wish I
> was this critically thinking when I was in that
> age group.
Sadly Reddit and other social media sites are blocked on my phone, and I can’t secretly download Reddit because my parents haven’t downloaded it before. Any other groups to help me?
And yeah, with the internet comes the inevitable truth.



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You are welcome to continue coming here for support!

IMO it is best to do what your parents expect. Don't push back in any way. Get good grades in school and get a job when you are able -- both will help you to gain your independence one day.

Your day of freedom will come. Be mindful that when teens rebel against the church, a number of Mormon parents have been known to clamp down hard, meaning no after school sports or activities, no use of the family car, no dating, etc. That's why it's best to just do what is expected for now.

summer Wrote:
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> You are welcome to continue coming here for
> support!
I plan on doing that, thanks!!
> IMO it is best to do what your parents expect.
> Don't push back in any way. Get good grades in
> school and get a job when you are able -- both
> will help you to gain your independence one day.
Yep, that’s a smart thing to do. Thanks a ton for that, saving for college needs to happen assuming I won’t get a scholarship to some D3 school for baseball (lol)
> Your day of freedom will come.
It will! I hope...
>Be mindful that when teens rebel against the church, a number of
> Mormon parents have been known to clamp down hard,
> meaning no after school sports or activities, no
> use of the family car, no dating, etc. That's why
> it's best to just do what is expected for now.
That’s pretty spooky, but I will 100% do that.
One of my cousins is playing it smart but the other is...ehh he’s doing stupider shit but not saying anything about the church.
Imma play it smart haha.
Thanks a ton!

It's really good advice to fake it til you make it. If you go all rebellious on your folks, you are liable to see lockdowns and like you've never experienced before. Just be a decent kid and keep your thoughts to yourself. You are lucky you can talk to your cousins.oh! DON'T go to the bishop with your doubts. Confidentiality is a myth. Your parents (and then the whole ward) will know of your apostacy in a matter of days. Then the real drama starts. Not good...

The less your parents know, the better off you'll be. For now, pretend. If you have to pray, just spout some 15-second generic mormon prayer, but think of hentai instead.

If you have to read scriptures aloud at home or in seminary, imagine the scripture story in hentai form while reading.

NEVER EVER confess anything to any church leader. Ever. The priesthood is as worthless as it gets. Covid should make that obvious.

Concentrate on school, get the good grades so your parents have less reason to suspect anything. Fake being OK with a mission if you're asked about it; you don't have to worry about it for a few years yet. The goal is to keep the folks off your back.

Your cousins seem to be in the same situation as you, so it's probably fine to vent to each other, but don't be reckless about it.

Anonymous Muser Wrote:
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> The less your parents know, the better off you'll
> be. For now, pretend. If you have to pray, just
> spout some 15-second generic mormon prayer, but
> think of hentai instead.
>
> If you have to read scriptures aloud at home or in
> seminary, imagine the scripture story in hentai
> form while reading.
>
> NEVER EVER confess anything to any church leader.
> Ever. The priesthood is as worthless as it gets.
> Covid should make that obvious.
> Concentrate on school, get the good grades so your
> parents have less reason to suspect anything. Fake
> being OK with a mission if you're asked about it;
> you don't have to worry about it for a few years
> yet. The goal is to keep the folks off your back.
>
> Your cousins seem to be in the same situation as
> you, so it's probably fine to vent to each other,
> but don't be reckless about it.

Okay this is actually really amazing advice.
Thank you for it.
Yeah I should focus on school and stuff, just not raising a fuss is what I’ll do.
And a huge thanks for warning me about talking to the leaders. I mean, I was sorta debating as to wether I should just straight up lie about shit, but yeah, if the priesthood is worthless, I’m not desecrating anything.
Thanks a ton!!

Anonymous Muser Wrote:
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> The less your parents know, the better off you'll
> be. For now, pretend. If you have to pray, just
> spout some 15-second generic mormon prayer, but
> think of hentai instead.
>
> If you have to read scriptures aloud at home or in
> seminary, imagine the scripture story in hentai
> form while reading.
>
> NEVER EVER confess anything to any church leader.
> Ever. The priesthood is as worthless as it gets.
> Covid should make that obvious.
>
> Concentrate on school, get the good grades so your
> parents have less reason to suspect anything. Fake
> being OK with a mission if you're asked about it;
> you don't have to worry about it for a few years
> yet. The goal is to keep the folks off your back.
>
> Your cousins seem to be in the same situation as
> you, so it's probably fine to vent to each other,
> but don't be reckless about it.
As to confessing:
TELL THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR. "THEY"will never know the difference!!!

No, don't do this. Don't "tell them what they want to hear."

If your parents have caught you, that's different. I'm talking about bishop's interviews.

Let's say Bishop suddenly "invites" you into his office for an unplanned interview. He sits behind his Desk of Power and solemnly informs you that The Spirit™ has inspired him to call you in. (What really happened is that your parents have asked him to play the priesthood authority card to bring you into line.)

He then says that he's been prompted that there's something you need to confess to him in order to get right with The Lord™. Then he does his "I'm looking into your soul and can tell if you're lying to me" stare, and counts on the awkward silence to pressure and intimidate you to crack and rat yourself out.

What he wants to hear is that you're spanking it (like every other boy your age, like him at your age, like your dad at your age, etc.), so that he can voice his disapproval and disappointment, so that you'll be ashamed and want to grovel for the church's forgiveness. It's nothing more than a long-established way for the church to break your will and bring you under its control.

Don't fall for it. There is no Power of Discernment. He can't read your mind any more than the tree in front of your house or your neighbor's dog can. **DON'T CONFESS.** Any confession can and likely will be used as ammunition against you.

Instead, just look at him with a confused expression and calmly respond that you don't know what he's talking about. He'll probably press you, but if you can wait it out, he'll have nothing. "Sorry Bishop, I really don't have anything for you. I have to be going, I can't stay here all day."

Practice this exchange in case you really need to use it. The more casual and natural you sound, the better you can pull it off.

Anonymous Muser Wrote:
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> No, don't do this. Don't "tell them what they want
> to hear."
>
> If your parents have caught you, that's different.
> I'm talking about bishop's interviews.
>
> Let's say Bishop suddenly "invites" you into his
> office for an unplanned interview. He sits behind
> his Desk of Power and solemnly informs you that
> The Spirit™ has inspired him to call you in.
> (What really happened is that your parents have
> asked him to play the priesthood authority card to
> bring you into line.)
>
> He then says that he's been prompted that there's
> something you need to confess to him in order to
> get right with The Lord™. Then he does his "I'm
> looking into your soul and can tell if you're
> lying to me" stare, and counts on the awkward
> silence to pressure and intimidate you to crack
> and rat yourself out.
>
> What he wants to hear is that you're spanking it
> (like every other boy your age, like him at your
> age, like your dad at your age, etc.), so that he
> can voice his disapproval and disappointment, so
> that you'll be ashamed and want to grovel for the
> church's forgiveness. It's nothing more than a
> long-established way for the church to break your
> will and bring you under its control.
>
> Don't fall for it. There is no Power of
> Discernment. He can't read your mind any more than
> the tree in front of your house or your neighbor's
> dog can. **DON'T CONFESS.** Any confession can and
> likely will be used as ammunition against you.
>
> Instead, just look at him with a confused
> expression and calmly respond that you don't know
> what he's talking about. He'll probably press you,
> but if you can wait it out, he'll have nothing.
> "Sorry Bishop, I really don't have anything for
> you. I have to be going, I can't stay here all
> day."
>
> Practice this exchange in case you really need to
> use it. The more casual and natural you sound, the
> better you can pull it off.

Also some great advice—learning to stay natural at lying is something I need practice on...

> Also some great advice—learning to stay natural
> at lying is something I need practice on...

That is the single most important lesson of Mormonism.

> Also some great advice—learning to stay natural
> at lying is something I need practice on...

> That is the single most important lesson of Mormonism.

Maybe that's why LDS is such fertile ground for growing psychopaths...



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You will have to do what your parents say. I saw my parents wearing mormon underwear at the age of 3 years. I knew then I never wanted to wear the underwear. I still had to do what they said. As the years went by. I brought normal clothing in the car to change into after church so that the neighbors would not see me in the church clothes.

I'm 45 now and have never followed through with the mormon agenda. I never wore the mormon underwear, never got married or served a mormon mission. A little note is that I'm from texas, I knew the texas people would not approve mormonism. That is why I never told the neighbors or anyone at my school of my dirty little secret. I was that embarrassed by mormonism.

I wish you luck, but I would not get too deep into mormonism, try to avoid the temple, you do not want to lose your choice in underwear.

All religions are made up. However, some of them have a long history of analysis. Judaism for example. The Talmud wouldn’t approve of Hentai either. Now that you have to pick up the pieces of your totaled religion, you’ll have to compare belief systems. It’s not as easy as tossing everything. Some of the things Mormonism stole from other religions actually have some value. If it’s unique to Mormonism, though, it’s probably useless. The Priesthood is a magic technology that is far older than Mormonism, so it could work except that modern Mormons don’t have a magical worldview. Without that belief, it’s just pretending.

The 21st century world is completely incompatible with Mormonism. Mormonism can’t be brought into alignment with modern society because it’s management structure is purposely hobbled. Nobody capable of fixing the church makes it to the inner circle. Even Dieter is considered an outsider.

It’s best to think of Mormonism as a starter set of spiritual practices that comes with a lot of baggage. You don’t need the baggage. Throw away the styrofoam packing peanuts, don’t eat them. You could make Mormonism work as a practice, in spite of its many flaws, at least in theory. You’ll notice that a lot of exmos here are Atheists. That’s on the Church. A church that destroys your belief in God isn’t something you want to be part of.

don't feel bad about private sexual behavior that hurts no one and breaks no laws. You don't need to confess that to anyone -- not your bishop, not your parents, and not us if you don't want. You should be aware that if you do your homework on Mormonism and you also tell anyone in the church about your sexual sins, they will use that as the reason not to believe you. They will say you lost the spirit, deactivated your priesthood, and fell for the lies of the devil the instant you looked at porn. You have the right of privacy. Use it to protect yourself from the accusations that will come against you the instant you let anyone know you don't believe anymore.

I don't know what's maybe next for you but you might want a career seeking skills as possibly a double agent or something, heh.
That sucks, really.. It's so so nice to just simply try and be yourself while all the while not jumping through the LDS hoops just to appear somewhat Mormon on the outside. Especially as a kid, I mean I began looking at possibly leaving after sixteen years of age and soon had a job that absorbed almost all of my church time, that proved to be nice because it provided some breathing room.
You can write a little, write a lot it's all up to you.

Just try and be grateful, try and be glad Mitt Romney never became president and never gained any clout that Mormonism was anything more than a somewhat awful cult nobody wanted anything to do with,anyhow.
You've got a good two years on me, I was easily able to keep God in my life so maybe the belief in atheism isn't for you. Do what you like but please know that if you believe in things you don't understand, you will suffer. (Stevie Wonder)

I went through the temple with serious sin and i never confessed.

I thought the tempal doors would blow off, but it never happened.

You can lie and get away with it. The church lies and so should you about your personal matters.

My mission president pretended to be all knowing, but my comapnion had wrote him for my having a girlfriend.

LOL. I wish I'd had that fortitude and intelligence earlier. Instead I was the goody-goody two-shoes always ratting myself out like a good mormon cuz I couldn't hide it from God.

The temple was hell, and it was even more torturous because I knew it was supposed to be a holy, sublime experience, and I blamed myself for all the difference. I blamed myself with a vicious self-loathing I wouldn't wish on anyone.



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expikachu Wrote:
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> My family is Mormon afaik except for my 2 cousins....


What should you do?
First off, I am glad that you are researching about mormonism. Keep it up.
Don’t stop there. Read up on other religions. You don’t have to join any of them.
The idea is to learn for the sake of learning.

I STRONGLY recommend that you study the sciences: physics, chemistry, biology. I prefer a future where people love science and are science savvy.
These will become tools in your toolbox.
The world will appear to be less mysterious to you. More knowledge = more power.

Pretend to be a mormon since there is the possibility that you are surrounded by intolerant people.
However, at some point, you might want to discuss these “controversial” topics with people.
The idea is to form bridges between people. Learn about them. Get them to be skeptics. Make them understand what evidence means.

I’ll give you a sample:
Every day, I come home and flip the switch and the light comes on.
That is data. We collect data all throughout our lives.
Over time, I understand that this is a non-random system. Flipping the switch has a direct consequence.
The evidence becomes part of my belief system: flipping the switch means that the light will turn on.
If it does not, I know that probably the light is burned out or maybe there is no electricity.

Remember that word ===evidence. It is a very important word.

Eventually, you might want to learn about homeopathy, astrology and other none sense that don’t work.

BTW, I was never a mormon. I was a christian and I also dumped it early in life. I was about 11 or 12.

~~~~iceman9090

Are your parents good people? why not let them know how you feel and believe?

Either way they can make you go but can't make you believe. You may just need to endure. However there also may be a possibility they won't make you go and then your able to do other stuff they let you do at your age.

I remember one time laying in bed, and mom came in my room and said it was time to get ready for church. I told her that I did not want to go. She said Ok, and I went back to sleep. That was way too easy or lucky. Life went on. I of course didn't leave the church until many many years later. I knew mom loved me and I'm glad she didn't give me a hard time. I had a repeat of that experience when I told here I was quitting scouts. Too bad my leaders went as cool with it.

Yesterday you found out what?

It sounds like 2 days ago you were a believer, but yesterday you stumbled across something, and now you have it all figured out, and within 48 more hours the entire situation will be resolved.

Reality almost never unfolds that way. I suspect that your enlightenment was a while in coming, and that you really don't know what it is you don't know.

My advice - patience, and take a longer view. It is easier to balance the bicycle if you look down the road than if you stare at the front wheel and compensate for every tiny wobble.

This is going to take a while.

Brother Of Jerry Wrote:
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> It sounds like 2 days ago you were a believer, but
> yesterday you stumbled across something, and now
> you have it all figured out, and within 48 more
> hours the entire situation will be resolved.

It is most likely someone pretending to be 14 and is too lazy to craft a believable back story. They assume we are idiots who will want to believe the youth of the church are flocking to the untruth of the church. This poster is banking on it.

Elder Berry Wrote:
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> Brother Of Jerry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It sounds like 2 days ago you were a believer,
> but
> > yesterday you stumbled across something, and
> now
> > you have it all figured out, and within 48 more
> > hours the entire situation will be resolved.
>
> It is most likely someone pretending to be 14 and
> is too lazy to craft a believable back story. They
> assume we are idiots who will want to believe the
> youth of the church are flocking to the untruth of
> the church. This poster is banking on it.

...I’m 14.
Either way it would be cool if you could help me somehow.
Not like anyone who’s pretending to be 14 would have anything to gain from it.
So, uh...yeah. Dunno how to prove it, but would it kill you to believe me? Lmao

You sounds like a 40 year old police person attempting to find sexual predators on The Internet.

Good luck.

You could try asking them to help you out with answering some questions that you have not been able to answer using the prescribed methods, "Search (church approved material), Ponder and Pray". Like?

#1. Why did the church discriminate against blacks for most of its history, by denying them entry into the temple, when women have never been restricted from entering the temple, despite not having the priesthood?

#2. Why do we still sing "Praise to the Man" when we now know, and the church has admitted, that Joseph Smith 'married' his follower's wives and teenage daughters as young as 14, completely violating the 10 Commandments and more importantly, D&C 132:61, "the Law of the Priesthood" which Smith claimed to have received straight from God himself?

#3. Why does the church discriminate against the children of gays by denying them membership in the church, when one of our core beliefs is that we should not be held accountable for the sins of our Fathers?

#4. Why do we still consider the Book of Abraham "Revelation from God" when we have the original Egyptian Scroll, which has been translated by Egyptologists and proven to have nothing to do with what's contained in the Book of Abraham?

and any other questions you can come up with.
Don't settle for platitudes or cliches, which are not real answers, just ways for the faithful to continue deluding themselves. When they can't answer the questions, maybe they'll see why you don't buy the nonsense.

By the time I was your age I was well on my way to being a hell raiser and just bided my time until I could walk away from the cult. This was way before the CES letter. I just couldn't have cared less about the church and it's doctrines. Having parents who respected my decision was also a huge bonus. Be careful..be well and good luck on your way out of the Mormon gulag.



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Welcome to the dark side

Here's a suggestion (which you may have figured out already, but what the hell, I'll say it anyway :-) ): just because you plan on dumping TSCC as the be-all and end-all of your eternal existence (yay!) doesn't mean that you should spend your whole day wanking and watching porn while smoking a joint and swigging Jack Daniels.
That sounds a bit extreme, but one good thing about "playing" at being a mormon (or a catholic, or a methodist) is that it gives you practice at self control. In other words, there's no rule that says just because you're not a mormon any more that you HAVE to drink and smoke and screw around like a horndog.
Go for excellence in your life, and that will drive the religious nuts crazy. :-)

Extricate yourself SLOWLY.

Don't defend your position. Let them defend theirs and walk away.

Go one step at a time. Learn as much as possible.

Know what you're talking about.

Don't get angry.

I wish I had been told and known such things at that young age ....it would have save me having a wasted life that was flushed down the toilet for MORmONISm ......you are SO lucky !!!!

Look I don't expect you to listen to these old radio recordings and most of the people that enjoyed them for the years and years when broadcasted onto live air stations aren't around anymore.

Ha, when I was very young I may have laughed at maybe the booming AM station voice with Donald Grey Barnhouse speaking. Now though, I like this old timey stuff.

My recovering Christian Science friend is who gave me the tip.

https://voicesforchrist.org/speakers/1528?page=2

After our secondmost recent put-upon pseudo teen seemed to disappear (and I suppose like Beetlejuice, he’ll show up again upon my invocation), your sudden appearance is less than credible. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and offer a few words of advice.

After Mormonism, you could run from pillar to post looking for some other faith to anchor your search for meaning. That’s your call. But all I see when I look around is people in denial of the world around them. Dangerously juvenile people who accept as axiomatic that their little indulgence of unsupportable claptrap is okay, because “it hurts no one”.

Problem is, that’s not so. In accepting systems of faith, they shut themselves down to reflection and thought in subtle and unsubtle ways. They hitch themselves to a raft of decisions that they don’t know they’re making: whom to trust, how to act, and worse, how to react. Their pat stories disincline them from looking deeper at whom they hurt, including themselves.

So you can jump to some other belief system, but it’s at your risk and the decision you make now can affect other people and yourself.

Tyson