A YouTube post came up today on my home page. The channel is Surviving Narcissism. The title of the video is When a narcissist realizes you refuse to be controlled.

I do not know how to post links from my iPad perhaps someone can.

The speaker describes what happens when someone refuses to be controlled anymore in a relationship. However it was deja vu to me of leaving the church. The more I listened the more it describes my journey leaving the cult.

It probably also explains some of the relationship issues brought up by posters on this board.

Does it explain your journey out? Could the church be a narcissist entity?

Just wondering.

I believe that's an interesting idea; you're applying a concept we usually ascribe to individuals to an organization which is a collective of individuals.

me/ my .02: In a hierarchical group like ChurchCo, so much depends on the leadership that reaches the everyday rank-and-file member.

Russ personally impacts few lives in person, it's more a matter of his sayings & other examples and how subordinates interpret & carry them out day-to-day.

Yes, watching the video the speaker says when you pull away from the control of a narcissist you can expect

Name calling, lies to demean you or belittle you, attempts to draw you back. Etc.

There are many expectations. But that is what the church as a whole does. While listening to it everything a narcissist would do to a victim is identical to what happens when you leave or distant yourself from the cult. So is the church itself narcissist or a team of narcissists running it? Where does it stop?

(only myself?) I've read the DSM definition (description?) of narcissistic personality disorder, I don't think/believe that clinical description can be applied to an org, I only sense limited traits in Russ, but more in Bednar.

..."is the church itself narcissist or a team of narcissists running it? Where does it stop?" _wondering

Yes, itis VERY intentional.
All internal grooming.

I didn't no they were grooming me as a child to be a leasthood holder and carrier and then into an elder 70's bald geriatric junk peddler with a profit motif, seed, and regulator.

Mormonism TRIES TO force you into a pre-interpreted holey mold, to paint you a certain picture, make you a part of it's rough and sleazy story, put you into a tube to squeeze you out wherever it wants. SPLAT!

If you aren't perfect - or you are but you just don't show it (as a child) - they try to show you up. But they don't know THIS SHOW. This is my line. I know what to do. I wrote this show.

Mormonism ISN'T for individuals and it isn't for me.

Oh, by the way, It Doesn't Stop...

You HAVE TO Stop It!

ALL Mormon does is TALK

ALL ME at the core

I can have it but YOU can't (well you might can but you would have to BEND - even brake - so hard to get it, and it would still be so unattainable, even impossible, [even after it has turned you inside out- or tried to] and it naturally wouldn't be worth it, and it would work you have to death mentally, physically and spiritually).

It is a CONTROL System

If you can't/ won't be controlled, what 'good' are you?

It WAS slaves, then servants, and now grunts, sheep or tithe paying machines/ members/ investments. They can be controlled.

You can't.

Nine Signs and Symptoms of Narcissism

Symptoms – called core features – of narcissistic personality disorder (narcissism) include:

Grandiosity
Exaggerated sense of self-importance
Feeling superior to others and that one deserves special treatment
Feelings are often accompanied by fantasies of unlimited success, brilliance, power, beauty, or love
Excessive need for admiration
Must be the center of attention
Often monopolize conversations
Patients feel slighted, mistreated, depleted, and enraged when ignored
Superficial and exploitative relationships
Relationships are based on surface attributes and not the unique qualities of others
People are only valued only to the extent they are viewed as beneficial
Lack of empathy
Severely limited or totally lacking ability to care about the emotional needs or experiences of others, even loved ones
Identity disturbance
Sense of self is highly superficial, extremely rigid, and often fragile
Self-stability depends on maintaining the view that one is exceptional
Grandiose sense of self is easily threatened
Patients retreat from or deny realities that challenge grandiosity
Difficulty with attachment and dependency
Relies on feedback from the environment
Relationships only exist to shore up positive self-image
Interactions are superficial
Intimacy is avoided
Chronic feelings of emptiness and boredom
When attention and praise are not available, patients feel empty, bored, depressed, or restless
Vulnerability to life transitions
Difficulty maintaining reality-based personal and professional goals over time
Compromises required by school, jobs, and relationships may feel unbearable
Young adults may have a “failure to launch”
Narcissistic personality disorder is also a significant risk factor for suicide and suicidal attempts.

How Is Narcissism Diagnosed?

Narcissistic personality disorder (narcissism) is diagnosed using The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) criteria. A person must meet five of nine of the following traits for a diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder.

A grandiose sense of self-importance
Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
Belief that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by or should associate with, other special or high-status people or institutions
Requires excessive admiration
Has a sense of entitlement
Is interpersonally exploitative – takes advantage of others
Lacks empathy
Envies others or believes others are envious of him or her
Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors and attitudes

GNPE Wrote:
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> Narcissistic personality disorder (narcissism) is
> diagnosed using The Diagnostic and Statistical
> Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) criteria. A
> person must meet five of nine of the following
> traits for a diagnosis of narcissistic personality
> disorder.
>
> 1) A grandiose sense of self-importance

> 2) Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited
> success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

> 3) Belief that he or she is “special” and
> unique and can only be understood by or should
> associate with, other special or high-status
> people or institutions

> 4) Requires excessive admiration

> 5) Has a sense of entitlement

> 6) Is interpersonally exploitative
> and/or takes advantage of others

> 7) Lacks empathy

> 8) Envies others or believes
> others are envious of him

> 9) Shows arrogant, haughty
> behaviors and attitudes


Well, if it wasn't clear to me before, it is now: This explains why he cheats at golf.

when you're a cheater, you think the ONLY way to win is by cheating.

"Well, if it wasn't clear to me before, it is now: This explains why he cheats at golf."

You mean everything.

Is that why he called Georgia yesterday. Whining. Saying he only needed 11,800 votes, "one more than we got". He probably should have thought of that while president.

moremany Wrote:
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> "Well, if it wasn't clear to me before, it is now:
> This explains why he cheats at golf."
>
> You mean everything.
>
> Is that why he called Georgia yesterday. Whining.
> Saying he only needed 11,800 votes, "one more than
> we got". He probably should have thought of that
> while president.

Well well well, this again?
Every post is all Trump all the time. Then one parody video and maybe one comment by me and then reported, reported to delete delete.

Sly ass ways to first insert a jab on about every single post to then report and report?
At least after jr high school maybe most of us somehow grew out of this behavior.

How is the senate race working out in GA?

Don't bring politics into it... unless that's all you've got: even then, let it rest.

At least have a good argument, unless that's why you're here.

We WERE talking about golf here... not tennis.

♡

Hopefully / Ideally, 'politics' is how people express their wishes, values, and opinions whether thru a King, a president, a Parliament, a Congress or even thru a dictator.

Each of these has different advantages & disadvantages.

Here in the U.S., our courts aren't supposed to apply politics to their decisions, that's hopefully true in other countries as well.

Yes!! Someone else sees the connection between that operation and narcissism. I am subscribed to that channel by the way. I like that guy.

But yes. This is why narcissists thrive in cults. They have the same playbook. They both even have the lovebomb phase.


The similarities between cults and narcissism is insane to me.

I think that Mormonism is a reflection of Joseph Smith, Jr., and Brigham Young, both narcissistic men with a hugely inflated sense of self importance. It's not a surprise to me that their sense of self-importance is baked into the faith.

Severely so