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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: January 07, 2021 04:11PM

Forget COVID. Who has heard anything about a miraculous COVID-19 healing?

"...where one issue that wasn’t supposed to be remedied—where tissues and organs weren’t supposed to work—had been healed."

https://www.ldsliving.com/-I-have-other-answers-other-than-my-medical-training-What-one-of-Elder-Holland-s-doctors-said-about-his-recovery-earlier-this-year/s/93678

You just have to have at least a million people praying for you and who has that? Not many COVID sufferers.

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Posted by: oneWayJay ( )
Date: January 07, 2021 10:56PM

O'come now.

Woldwide fast and now the Virus is spreading faster than ever.

Except New Zealand - thanks to the Mormon upbringing of their fearless leader.(probably learned how to prevent it listening to lessons in Primary and MIA Maids)

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: January 08, 2021 01:20AM

I have several hundred million people not praying for me. Lets see who gets better results.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: January 08, 2021 11:15AM

I like your shakti.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: January 08, 2021 11:33AM

The energy workers in Manitou like my aura.

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Posted by: Void K. Packer ( )
Date: January 08, 2021 11:36AM

Nor does it help. Now, several million people paying for me would is religion I could believe in!

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: January 08, 2021 11:43AM

And they will send you money.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: January 08, 2021 08:23PM

and Obey you...
Pay Pay & Obey

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Posted by: Phazer ( )
Date: January 09, 2021 11:07AM

I've seen the power of prayer. It's pretty much worthless.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: January 09, 2021 11:18AM

"Well. Isn't that special." says church lady.

I wish I hadn't started reading that. I feel like I need a shower now.

I had to quit reading this self aggrandizing platitude when I got to the use of the word, "tender".

Tender. Makes my skin crawl the way the Mormons use it.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: January 10, 2021 02:39PM

Mental tenderizer.

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Posted by: spiritist ( )
Date: January 09, 2021 11:40AM

I am not sure 'adequate' studies can prove prayer works because many variables may be involved (faith of sick person, faith of praying people, attitudes, beliefs, etc.). However, here is one statement by people studying these type of things.


Traditional religious beliefs have a variety of effects on personal health, says Koenig, senior author of the Handbook of Religion and Health, a new release that documents nearly 1,200 studies done on the effects of prayer on health.

These studies show that religious people tend to live healthier lives. "They're less likely to smoke, to drink, to drink and drive," he says. In fact, people who pray tend to get sick less often, as separate studies conducted at Duke, Dartmouth, and Yale universities show. Some statistics from these studies:

•Hospitalized people who never attended church have an average stay of three times longer than people who attended regularly.


•Heart patients were 14 times more likely to die following surgery if they did not participate in a religion.


•Elderly people who never or rarely attended church had a stroke rate double that of people who attended regularly.


•In Israel, religious people had a 40% lower death rate from cardiovascular disease and cancer.


Also, says Koenig, "people who are more religious tend to become depressed less often. And when they do become depressed, they recover more quickly from depression. That has consequences for their physical health and the quality of their lives."

I am not sure how they define 'religious' and many of the terms they use.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2021 11:42AM by spiritist.

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Posted by: Phazer ( )
Date: January 09, 2021 09:43PM

spiritist Wrote:
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> Also, says Koenig, "people who are more religious
> tend to become depressed less often. And when they
> do become depressed, they recover more quickly
> from depression. That has consequences for their
> physical health and the quality of their lives."
>

Funny, attending weekly and being told to do better, improve daily, despite failing in goals or praying for help, and trying to understand when God was going to finally kick in....seemed depressing weekly reminder rather than a build you up moment.

No thanks.

I saw a lot of depressed people after Sunday's Sacrament.

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Posted by: spiritist ( )
Date: January 10, 2021 06:37PM

Not everyone that is 'religious' or 'prays/believes in God' is Mormon and subject to the 'depression' you experienced.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: January 11, 2021 12:23PM

True, but it is depressing how much Mormonism sets people up to feel like failures. Their temple gives them the chance to feel like they can do some converting for someone.

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Posted by: ConversionIntoDepression ( )
Date: January 11, 2021 12:29PM

Miserly On A Corporate (not company) Level

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: January 11, 2021 12:40PM

Modern corporate minds don't enlighten people. They merely entertain, overfeed, overmedicate, condemn and constrain, instill addictions, and religious habits.

A "church" who acts like Coca-Cola isn't going to get you anything more than diabetes of the mind - craving sweet spirits.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: January 09, 2021 09:50PM

It doesn't hurt Them

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