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Posted by: Roy G Biv ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 05:00PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pastor-tells-women-look-pretty-205927349.html

He's been put on leave.

This has been standard advice in the mormon church, but no one gets "put on leave" for it.

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Posted by: Kathleen ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 05:25PM

Looks like Pastor Stewart-Allen Clark could stand to loose a little upholstery himself.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 06:11PM

He could stand to lose an audience with his wretched rhetoric. As if God weighs bodies and not souls.

Where in the Bible does it say how women need to be a certain kind of attractive? I guess for his God Mrs. Trump is sent from above to do Christian women a service of setting an example. Jesus save us from his Jesus.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/04/2021 06:11PM by Elder Berry.

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 07:56PM


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Posted by: Cindysue ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 10:47PM

She was also married at the time and so was he when they first met. Apparently she was also ambitious.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 12:01AM

They met in 1975. She and her husband separated a year earlier. Joe Biden had been a widower since 1972.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good yarn.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 12:21AM

but surely there's an explanation that will allow 'shade' to be tossed!!

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 12:24AM

We just go back to Mormon epistemology. Believe something fervently enough, bear that testimony frequently enough and ideally with an equation or two, and presto the facts change!

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 06:30PM

From the article --

“Now look, I’m not saying every woman can be the epic — the epic – trophy wife of all time like Melania Trump. I’m not saying that at all. Most women can’t be trophy wives, but you know ... maybe you’re a participation trophy,” Clark said as a photo of the former first lady appeared on screen. “I don’t know, but all I can say is not everybody looks like that. Amen! Not everybody looks like that. But you don’t need to look like a butch either.”

I don't think I've ever been called a participation trophy before (and evidently that's for days I have my makeup on. Which lately, is not a lot of days.) lol

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 06:46PM

I'm struck by the assumption that Melania Trump is attractive.

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Posted by: Susan I/S ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 11:42PM

I think she is odd looking. Too much bad plastic surgery.

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Posted by: knotheadusc ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 11:56PM

She’s always scowling. But I would scowl too, if I had a husband like hers.

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Posted by: knotheadusc ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 11:59PM

He should take his own advice.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 12:27AM

I wanted to like her, to think that there was someone in there who cared about bullying and decency. But over time it became clear that, in her words, "I really don't care."

Do U?*







*Rhetorical question. We all know the answer.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 07:54AM

I wanted to give her a chance, but she lost me fairly early on. I noticed that her platform, online bullying, was something that affected her son. I think that's how she rolls, if it affects her or her loved ones she's on board, and if not, she could care less.

The time that she wore the "I don't really care" coat to visit migrant children was the deal breaker for me. I can't imagine any other first spouse thinking that an appropriate thing to do.

I also agree with Knotty that she scowls a lot.

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Posted by: Susan I/S ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 08:28AM

Also the majority of the whole campaign was copied from existing material. Just like the speech she gave.

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Posted by: Susan I/S ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 01:32AM

More men that women cheat but women do too. From a quick look 20% of men and 13% of women. So I guess 13% of men need to wear a little lipstick and be more charming.

Once again, they are idolizing the 1950s. It wasn't that great for a lot, if not most people and we are NEVER going back there. Instead of putting their energy into building a future they are trapped by skewed visions of the past.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 11:48PM

>>>I think she is odd looking. Too much bad plastic surgery.

For some reason, I kept expecting Boris and Bullwinkle to jump out of somewhere every time I saw her.

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Posted by: Humberto ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 06:55PM

And once all these women pretty themselves up, what do the men do to keep them from straying?

Why is it the assumption that it's the wives who aren't worthy of their husbands, and not the other way around?

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Posted by: Dr. No ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 07:00PM

. . . and who is not to say, perhaps the very desire, is for hubby to get lost already?

;-D

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Posted by: Belle ( )
Date: March 06, 2021 10:57PM

I'll second that!

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Posted by: valkyriequeen ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 07:02PM

Physician heal thyself!

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Posted by: SpacePineapple ( )
Date: March 06, 2021 10:08PM

Indeed. Here's something for the ladies: https://cdn.christianpost.com/files/cache/image/14/17/141725_w_450_254.png

What a catch! (eyeroll)

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 09:10PM

In a recent speech at a youth fireside in 2015 Elder M. Russell Ballard, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, told a group of Mormon singles what they ought to do in order to get married.

He had some very specific advice for the women…



"… You beautiful girls: Don’t wander around looking like men. Put on a little lipstick now and then and look a little charming. It’s that simple. I don’t know why we make this whole process so hard."

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 09:16PM

But..... Pretty women are the main reason me have wicked thoughts. Just ask the profit!

The church makes things hard. Guilt trips no matter which way you go.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 09:27PM

Think of the logic.

1) Sexual arousal is evil (particularly for men because women are assumed to be asexual).

2) Gussy the women up so they are sexually arousing.

3) Men will have strong sexual feelings and commit various sins.

4) The men (and women) will resolve this by marrying fast while also feeling profound guilt.

5) The guilt makes the new couples commit more fully to Mormonism as the sole way to allay the guilt and earn exaltation.

From the church's perspective, this system works quite well. You get couples that marry early, have kids fast, and are committed to the religion.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 09:39PM

Exactly. What's not to like?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 09:43PM

I recall a point in my education when I was studying the old Chinese re-education camps of the 1950s and 1960s. "Hmm," I say to myself, "that's a lot like the Mormon church." On the emotional and social side, the systems are almost identical.

It's a tried and true methodology!

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 10:03PM


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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 10:05PM

It's a little different.

The re-education camps were designed to "improve" Han Chinese. There was violence but no concerted attempt at genocide. The Uyghurs are facing actual genocide.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 10:31PM

Yeah, but Walmart’s low prices.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 10:35AM

Hah!

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 10:45PM

To the extent any Chinese where "improved," it was the economic reforms and consequent consumer culture launched by Deng Xiaoping. He was a good guy, but only by comparison to the vicious thugs before, during, and after him.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 10:51PM

I did not suggest the education camps benefited anyone.

And don't underestimate the brutality of Deng Xiaoping. He was more brutal than Hua Guofeng, more brutal than Zhao Ziyang, more brutal than Hu Yaobang. He adopted what he called "smiling diplomacy" but that was just to impress foreigners.

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Posted by: SpacePineapple ( )
Date: March 06, 2021 10:18PM

Done & Done Wrote:
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> Exactly. What's not to like?

Nothing ... well, if one is pure, unadulterated evil. Which LDS Co, other cults, most certainly are.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 06, 2021 10:30PM

I'm confident D&D was speaking ironically. He's no fan of the church.

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Posted by: SpacePineapple ( )
Date: March 07, 2021 12:14AM

A'yup. And I was being sarcastic too. Evidently this needed to be spelled out. (sigh)

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 07, 2021 12:38AM

Whoosh!!!

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 04, 2021 09:18PM

"... and look a little charming."

That's kind of open ended!

What does "charming" look like? And of critical importance, how many bases does "charming" allow on a first date?

"Charmed, I'm sure..."

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Posted by: stillanon ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 12:20AM

Well this falls under another mormon conundrum. Kinda like when and what temperature temperature does caffeine drinks become against the word of wisdumb. When does some lipstick and charming turn into a harlot and a slut?

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Posted by: Belle ( )
Date: March 06, 2021 11:01PM

Seriously, can we skip the lipstick if we wear an underwire?

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 01:42AM

A partner told the other partner, "I'm going to run an errand..."

The other partner responded, "While you're out, stop at a drug store and get those pills that will make things go better for you in the sack, okay?"

The partner running the errand did exactly as had been requested.

Later, that partner showed up at the local bar, where the bartender remarked on the bruises visible on the partner's face. "Wow, what happened", asked the bartender.

"Well, I was asked to stop at the drug store to get those pills that would make me perform better in bed. And I did. But when I handed them over, my partner started screaming at me and started punching me!"

The bartender, wanting to be certain they were on the same track asked, "What kind of pills did you get for yourself?"

"No," said the bruised partner, "I got my partner some Weight loss pills."


(it's hilarious when told from a sexist perspective, but I don't do that, cuz I'm wide a-woke now.)

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 02:09AM

elderolddog Wrote:
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> (it's hilarious when told from a sexist
> perspective, but I don't do that, cuz I'm wide
> a-woke now.)

Time to go back to sleep, Rip.

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Posted by: knotheadusc ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 04:02AM

This song goes out to Pastor Clark and his ilk.

https://youtu.be/qtcq_f3vqUU

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Posted by: blindguy ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 06:33AM

...that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: March 07, 2021 04:51PM

beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.

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Posted by: Susan I/S ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 08:40AM

So ladies, who wants to sign up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_dxVMhSt6w

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Posted by: valkyriequeen ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 11:26AM

I wonder if Ballard or the pastor had some specific lipstick colors in mind: perhaps: Ravishing Red, Lucious Lavender, or even Precocious Pink?

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Posted by: Kathleen ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 12:27PM

Elin Nordigren shoulda spruced up a little.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/05/2021 12:58PM by kathleen.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 01:04PM

Ka-ching!

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: March 05, 2021 12:41PM

My wife told me someone (in RS?) said something eerily similar in a ChurchCo meeting;

I was very naïve at the time & thought- 'Not bad advice'

also joins what GAs mentioned about 'ugly knees' & 'put some lipstick on'

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Posted by: tumwater ( )
Date: March 07, 2021 12:12AM

Sure hope nobody starts talking about HRC.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: March 07, 2021 01:37AM

If the wife pretties up enough, does she get to renegotiate her pre-nup?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 07, 2021 01:51AM

No, but she gets to demand that her husband get a job.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 07, 2021 02:03AM

This is why men can never have nice things!

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Posted by: Wowza ( )
Date: March 07, 2021 03:23AM

Really nothing new here. You can find similar sermons with varying levels of egregiousness throughout various churches, christian and non-christian. Women are to blame for men's sins. Their nagging is why they get beat. Their fat butts are why men cheat.

Put on a little lipstick. /s
Song as old as time.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: March 07, 2021 01:03PM

Incels gonna incel

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: March 07, 2021 11:46PM

Don't get me started !

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Posted by: mikemitchell ( )
Date: March 08, 2021 09:26AM

That's right. If Melania had made herself prettier, Trump would not have hired a porn star to have sex with him.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 08, 2021 09:29AM

Ouch!

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Posted by: mikemitchell ( )
Date: March 08, 2021 09:32AM

Oh wait, she was the trophy wife. The problem couldn't possibly be with the men, now could it?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 08, 2021 09:37AM

Yep. And it isn’t all about sex, either, but rather narcissistic dominance.

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Posted by: mikemitchell ( )
Date: March 08, 2021 09:45AM


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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: March 08, 2021 12:16PM

“Trophy Wife” #3, until she gets traded in for a younger, prettier version, DTF a fat old man with a diseased mushroom for a dick and an even fatter wallet! Trophy wives are like cars, there’s always a newer, prettier version coming out next year, when it’s time to trade up.

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