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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: April 08, 2021 10:39AM

I bought it and read it. I wanted help to understand why highly educated Mormons stay in Mormonism so I dove in. Now I understand all too well. I wish I could disagree. I can't. His definition of stupid is the key piece of the puzzle of life.

"The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity" Carlo M. Cipolla

I found it fascinating and increasingly enlightening and then the last page shocking. Shocking because I could not dismiss it. Shocking because it removed my last bit of bliss.



The book is 85 pages and the size of a greeting card. Half hour read. Shook me. And yes. Did answer my question. Why the smart stay. Why they follow Nelson.

Also, why great civilizations decline. Religion, the Right, the Left, the Correctness Police, they are distractions.

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Posted by: Tyson Dunn ( )
Date: April 08, 2021 11:28AM


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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: April 08, 2021 12:09PM

Yeah. I had looked at a lot of reviews and the history of the book including a bit on Wikipedia.

Don't know the author's original intention. Does not read as satire to me, at all. Even if it is satire, I must say that satire often hits truth on the head harder than all the wordy tomes ever do.

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Posted by: cl2notloggedin ( )
Date: April 08, 2021 11:31AM

With my inability to read much of anything anymore. I'll have to ask my therapist. Oh wait, I did a few years ago. He said to read 5 pages at a time. I used to win all the awards in elementary school as I always read the most books in my grade level. The thought of reading a book overwhelms me now.

Maybe I can get through an 85 page book. I'd like to hear why my scientist and chemist friends are still believers. As well as my daughter. I'll order it today.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: April 08, 2021 12:43PM

Here is my careful distillation of Carlo M. Cipolla's essay on what makes me tick (turns out that Wikipedia came up with exactly the same interpretation! What are the odds!):

   First Fundamental Law: Always and inevitably each of us underestimates the number of stupid individuals surrounding us.

   Second Fundamental Law: The probability that a certain person is stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.

   Third (and Golden) Basic Law: A stupid person is a person who causes harm to another person or group of people without at the same time realizing any advantage for himself or even suffering any loss.

   Fourth Basic Law: Non-stupid people always underestimate the harmful potential of stupid people. In particular, non-stupid people constantly forget that at any time and place, and under any circumstances, dealing with and/or associating with stupid individuals unfailingly proves to be a very costly mistake. (I'm calling this The Cat law)

   Fifth Fundamental Law: The stupid person is the most dangerous type of person there is.  Corollary: A stupid person is more dangerous than a dishonest person and/or a prophet.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegro_ma_non_troppo_(saggio)



I think that careful consideration and consultation are required in order that we come to a consensus regarding a mutual agreement on just what constitutes a Stupid Person.

We have ALL committed 'stupidities', but just how isolated do our individual stupidities have to be before we can be lifted out of the general population of stupid people?

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: April 08, 2021 01:40PM

Everyone can do stupid things without being a stupid person. Stupid is different.

I had already accepted long ago the same premise as Carlo lays out (yes we are on a first name basis) as the definition of stupid people.

I can't accept any Wikipedia explanations or anything from any one else unless they read the book. Like the BoM you have to read it to get a testimony. The book spoke to me and I didn't even have to fast and pray. It needs to be read to be understood although it's probably over most people's heads. :) Yo no soy como la gente. Ese Carlo y yo sabemos. Ahora is mi che boludo. Como vos.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: April 08, 2021 03:20PM

D&D, I have a testimony of the book because I read it with my virtual eyes. :o)

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: April 08, 2021 03:21PM

You're learning!

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: April 08, 2021 03:31PM

That's good enough for me as long as it was under a bed sheet at the time.

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