Do you propose that The Book of Mormon is a true history? Yes Then all of its' concepts would stand up to scrutiny? Yes. Do you have a copy of the book with you? Open it to the book of Ether chapter 6 verse 11 Have you ever experienced a furious wind on the pacific ocean? Whatever the answer is this is my response. Let us, just for illustration, presume that the wind was only 10 mph. So 10mp. X 1day( 24hrs) = 240 miles Then 240 miles per day x344 days = 82,560 miles or 10.35 time around the earth at the equator. Are you saying that the Jaredites went around the earth more than 10 times to reach their destination?
The missionary's answer should be interesting
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The barges would have had a lot of drag. Wouldn’t they have been blown across the Atlantic, up the St Lawrence River, and into Lake Ontario? Good thing they all landed on the same day with no casualties.
Who in the history of Earth has sailed for a YEAR with a boat full of domestic animals? Let alone in a submarine. I mean actual historical figures, not Noah.
Well, the circumference of the Earth at the equator is 24,900 miles, so it would only be 3.3 times around the Earth. But then, one cannot sail completely around the Earth at the equator because one would keep running into land.
[|] Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, the circumference of the Earth at the > equator is 24,900 miles, so it would only be 3.3 > times around the Earth. But then, one cannot sail > completely around the Earth at the equator because > one would keep running into land.
Why do you keep confusng the issue with facts? Have you no feelings for my sensibilities?
The same way they answer all questions that stump them. They'll say they don't understand everything but they "know" the church is true. It will give them a sense of comfort and righteousness to hold on to the iron rod when presented with anything that challenges their beliefs.
Barges are not going to drift at anywhere near the speed of the wind. Plus wind direction changes and ocean currents also affect where the barge drifts. Material washed out to sea during the Fukushima tsunami was washing up in the Western Hemisphere for several years afterward.
Like another poster said, food and water for people and livestock for a year is a much bigger problem.
And barges that can flip upside down - somehow I think horses and cows would not handle that well!
Brother Of Jerry Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Barges are not going to drift at anywhere near the > speed of the wind. Plus wind direction changes and > ocean currents also affect where the barge drifts.
"5 And it came to pass that the Lord God caused that there should be a furious wind blow upon the face of the waters, towards the promised land; and thus they were tossed upon the waves of the sea before the wind. ... "8 And it came to pass that the wind did never cease to blow towards the promised land while they were upon the waters; and thus they were driven forth before the wind." [Ether 6:5,8]
Pretending for a moment that this isn't all bad fiction, verse 5 says nothing about how fast they were drifting. Barges, tree trunks, anything sitting low in the water drifts very slowly.
As for verse 8, as far as I am concerned, that is just confirmation that the BoM is bad fiction, and the Book of Ether is remarkably bad, even for the BoM. Glowing rocks, flippable submarines, yearlong windstorms. As if....
That God's "furious wind," which was violent enough to produce "mountain waves" and "great and terrible tempests," and which blew continuously toward the Jaredites' destination during the course of their journey, produced a net forward barge speed of less than 1.5 knots is a significant problem for the BoM in my view.
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The prevailing winds at the latitude of Boston and Paris are from the west. Sometimes NW, sometimes SW, very rarely from the east. Sailboats can go against the wind, though they make very slow progress. Floating barges simply cannot go against the wind.
It would be possible to float by going down to the west coast of N Africa, where the prevailing winds are from the east. That is the reason hurricanes start off the coast of Africa, cross the Atlantic to the Caribbean, and then as they turn north toward the US, they reverse direction and move to the NE and then E.
However I always thought the accepted BoM myth was that Lehi and the gang crossed the Pacific on the prevailing westerlies. It's not all that far of a hike from Jerusalem to the Red Sea, and from there, there is an easy water path to the Pacific. Besides, the Arabian peninsula had that NMH stone marker that BoM apologists claim must have meant the city Nahom mentioned in the tale of the journey in the BoM.
Yeah, it's the long way to America, but at least the wind is blowing the right direction. Well, if you are headed for Seattle or San Francisco.
Peleg and the dividing of the earth are first mentioned in Genesis 10. The Tower of Babel and the curse thereof, from which the Jaredites escape, don't come along until the next chapter, Genesis 11. ( I'm not sure if the church has ever tried to attached approximate dates to these events.)
The traditional dates are ca 2500 BCE for the Flood, about 2400 BCE for Peleg, and 2250 BCE for the Tower of Babel. That mean that the continents had about 100 years to scurry around the globe before the languages were dispersed, which seems like it would have left a lot of people with motion sickness.
All this talk of Jaredite barges is when I usually direct people to pour a nice cup of coffee and settle in to google images for 'Erie Canal barges 1830's', and see what they look like, then consider JS lived walking distance from the canal.
Mormon and Moroni abridged out the accounts of all their tourist stops along the way... duh!!! That is why it took almost a year. And just so you know, they did celebrate Christmas that year on a tropical island, 'cause they wanted the experience of Christmas on the beach and they even left out cookies for Santa 'cause they knew it would be a western tradition of the place they were going to inhabit thousands of years from then, 'cause Jesus said so and his finger wrote it..... duuuuhhh!!!!
The tourist stops like at Atlantis or Tahiti are not important to your 'salivation'.