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Posted by: cludgie ( )
Date: June 07, 2021 02:36PM

I tried to explain to my TBM daughter things that older people miss in the church. DW kept trying to say things alleging that it hadn't changed much. She, being TBM herself, has the ability to deny even the most obvious changes, as if the church is exactly the same as it always has been.

What are important/not so important changes you've seen? It just occurred to me again that up to some time in the late 1950's or early 1960's, guys would hold their right arm to the square when blessing the sacrament. Thereafter, many of the older and more cranky men kept up the practice into the 1970's.

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Posted by: Finance Clerk ( )
Date: June 07, 2021 05:41PM

Road Shows
Gold and Green Balls
Super Saturdays
Softball
Basketball


and more recently....Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts along with camping and pinewood derbies.

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Posted by: lapsed2 ( )
Date: June 09, 2021 07:08PM

Yes, to all of those. No wonder the youth are no longer interested in going to church.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: June 10, 2021 11:41AM

Finance Clerk Wrote:
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> Road Shows
> Gold and Green Balls
> Super Saturdays
> Softball
> Basketball
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> and more recently....Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts
> along with camping and pinewood derbies.
but beginning with Spencer Babe that all changed. I remember it all clearly and I am 85 years old

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Posted by: BrightAqua ( )
Date: June 10, 2021 01:39PM

Boy Scouts - yes, until a couple of years ago.

Girl Scouts - never, never, never

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Posted by: vulcanrider ( )
Date: June 10, 2021 11:49AM

Gold and Green Balls? Is that the Mormon version of Blue Balls? Whether or not, it sounds painful...

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: June 07, 2021 05:44PM

The list is pretty long.

I'd say the church is no longer the social center. We had

Monthly movie night
Ward dinners
Sports tournaments
Road Shows
Relief Society Bazaar (semi yearly rummage sale)
Halloween Carnival
Frequent dances including ones for adults as well as Daddy/Daughter and ones for teens
You could borrow a sewing machine from the ward.

In our small town the church was also used by the elementary school for assemblies as our school didn't have a stage and was next door to the school.

Sunday school for adults was often a heated debate on deep church doctrines!

People actually voted no when it came to sustaining some local leaders.

You didn't have to wear a white shirt and tie, even to bless the sacrament. Sometimes cops and servicemen wore uniforms and a lot of ranchers/farmers wore work clothes to sacrament meeting if they had work to do after.

Fast meeting ended early if no one stood up.

Weirdest thing.... The incestuous back rubs. That creeped me out more than anything.

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Posted by: Eric K ( )
Date: June 09, 2021 09:45AM

Two years ago DW and I were at a concert in Austria. Next to us was a couple where the wife was rubbing her husband's back. I had only seen this in the Mormon Church. Sure enough, at intermission they started a conversation with us and commented they were from Utah.

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Posted by: Evergreennotloggedin ( )
Date: June 10, 2021 01:09PM

Monthly movie night
Ward dinners
Sports tournaments
Road Shows
Relief Society Bazaar (semi yearly rummage sale)
Halloween Carnival
Frequent dances including ones for adults as well as Daddy/Daughter and ones for teens
You could borrow a sewing machine from the ward.

I was in California and I remember all this.

Sherry

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: June 08, 2021 12:31AM

I remember SusieQ#1 used to talk about all of the interesting things that the RS used to do in their meetings before church leaders decreed that every meeting has to have a gospel purpose. They used to do crafts, and discuss books, have travelogues, and demonstrations. The women also used to do projects to raise money. When the money had been collected, the women determined how they would spend it. Somewhere along the way, they lost that decision-making ability.

It's not a women's organization if the men are telling you how to do things.

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: June 09, 2021 02:03PM

I found some Relief Society magazines my mother put away in the early 60s

One detailed the finances of the Relief Society. It in luded buildings, sewing machines, income and expenses, amounts given to the poor and investments to include stocks and bonds.

Little wonder the church "absorbed" them in correlation.

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Posted by: bobofitz ( )
Date: June 08, 2021 11:10AM

Multi Stake Youth conferences, complete with a Hootenanny(at which I first publicly displayed my attempt to perform Dylan songs, irreverent lyrics and all) at the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana. That may have been the highlight of my not illustrious musical career, my hopes having been dashed on the rocks of mediocrity. I blame it all on my Mission President who nixed my desire to tote my Gibson from area to area, although lack of talent was the true culprit.

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Posted by: moehoward ( )
Date: June 08, 2021 11:12AM

"talent was the true culprit"
Alas, my problem also

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Posted by: Hedning ( )
Date: June 11, 2021 06:04PM

I've never let a lack of talent stop my massive mediocre musical endeavors.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: June 08, 2021 11:48AM

My brother and I played church softball around 1970. He was also an elite level baseball player in his teens and the stake athletic director waited until we were headed to the regional playoffs to tell him he was disqualified from further play because he'd played Sunday games with his baseball team (our dad, was on high council at the time but he had no say in the matter apparently). The AD was a mercurial prick who loved what little power he perceived he possessed.
In 1963 our ward basketball team won the Canadian division and went to the All Church tournament in SLC.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: June 08, 2021 11:51AM

Do they still hold "youth conferences"? I went to one in about 1963 in Edmonton. The grand finale was the Sunday service at the Northern Jubilee Auditorium in Edmonton featuring TS Monson, newly minted asspostile as the featured rock star.

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Posted by: Roy G Biv ( )
Date: June 08, 2021 07:31PM

skip meetings and go out behind the reservoir into the woods and smoke pot or drink booze.

Skip meetings and sneak into the church attic and smoke pot.

Bake pot brownies in the church kitchen.

Make out behind curtains on the stage in the gym.

Take mescaline at MIA.

You know, just the usual stuff.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: June 08, 2021 07:53PM

Darn it! That was the ward I wanted to be in. . .

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Posted by: Roy G Biv ( )
Date: June 08, 2021 08:01PM

Those were the days! I think.....well, at least as far as I can remember anyway.

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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: June 09, 2021 02:12PM

Mescaline at MIA sounds... interesting? Fun ? What was your verdict?

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Posted by: Roy G Biv ( )
Date: June 10, 2021 11:44AM

Definitely better than what they had planned for us!

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Posted by: CrispingPin ( )
Date: June 08, 2021 08:02PM

Announce excommunications from the pulpit during Priesthood Meeting.

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Posted by: cludgie ( )
Date: June 09, 2021 07:42PM

Even worse than that, in the 1950's they were still announcing excommunications and disfellowshipping from the pulpit in sacrament meeting. Nothing like insisting on shaming people publicly. Now, I know they were losing probably most of those people were unnecessarily shamed and disciplined, which is probably why an apostle (I think Nelson) came to our military stake conference in Germany, in about 1988 or so, and in the priesthood leadership session told us that church leaders had been excommunicating too many people over things that didn't require excommunication. He listed adultery as one of the things that did not require excommunication, which surprised all of us who had witnessed the excommunication of every member who had committed adultery. However, you probably noticed that a lot of people still get not only excommunicated, but now for things that sometimes upset just one or two apostholes. If a member offends church leaders by, say, sticking to her guns about why masturbation is not "second only to death in seriousness," or someone who tried to get leaders to accept gays and back-sliders more, or some woman who questions why only men are allowed to hold the priesthood, are not only excommunicated, but excommunicated by order of SLC level leaders dictating to the individual's stake president, before claiming that it was just by local leadership.

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Posted by: Shinehah ( )
Date: June 08, 2021 10:49PM

My uncle claims that in was common in priesthood lessons of the 1960's for the civil rights movement to be called the work of Satan. That those spirits who were less valiant in the pre-existence were just making trouble.
Can this be accurate or is my uncle just making trouble?

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: June 08, 2021 11:05PM

That was official church doctrine. The President of the church, Ezra Benson, declared it in General Conference. As did Alvin Dyer (look him up).

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Posted by: cludgie ( )
Date: June 09, 2021 07:44PM

Make sure you read this insult from Delbert Stapley to George Romney, the Mittster's father.

https://archive.org/details/DelbertStapleyLetter/mode/1up?view=theater

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: June 09, 2021 12:00AM


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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: June 09, 2021 03:41AM

Go to church

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: June 09, 2021 11:05AM

When I was very little and we were in Junior Sunday School and our parents weren't there, Laurie and I used to roll the shred of Wonder Bread sacrament into a small ball, save it and take it like a pill when the water came around. Well, until the grown-ups caught us.

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Posted by: sd ( )
Date: June 09, 2021 01:22PM

I thought I was the only kid who played that trick. Mom caught me. Got in big trouble

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Posted by: lapsed2 ( )
Date: June 09, 2021 07:07PM

After sacrament meeting, me and the other deacons would go up and scoff down the leftover sacrament bread.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: June 09, 2021 01:02PM

Cheryl Wrote:
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> n/t

No but they still do that.

Just saying ;)

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: June 09, 2021 07:34PM

In church we used to believe.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: June 10, 2021 12:33AM

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> In church we used to believe.


True

Try anyway hahahHH

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Posted by: lurking in ( )
Date: June 10, 2021 01:45AM

And to a lesser extent, we used to claim. (Can't forget the claiming!)

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f/1?lang=eng

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: June 10, 2021 02:50AM

Isn't life easier now that Mormons no longer have to read and think?

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: June 11, 2021 12:54AM

They never had to... And it shows

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Posted by: roibinsaintcloud ( )
Date: June 10, 2021 11:30AM

I really had fun doing roadshows. Also we got to participate in the last all-church softball tournament in 1971, driving out from virginia to utah in a converted school bus. We didn't win any games, but i pitched to my teammate in the homerun derby and he won first place. I could really lob that ball. Then again, he could hit anything.
Really liked youth conference, too, because of the dances and and sight seeing. Also had my first make out session in a bus on the way to dance, sitting behind chaperone couple who were also making out. Ahhh, the memories.

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Posted by: olderelder ( )
Date: June 10, 2021 01:27PM

Openly and proudly discuss "deep doctrines" as well as many doctrines that were orthodox at the time but which the church now denies or hides.

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Posted by: Bamboozled ( )
Date: June 10, 2021 02:36PM

Well, we used to call ourselves Mormons, for starters.

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Posted by: NormaRae ( )
Date: June 10, 2021 11:53PM

Was stake Beehive slumber parties a churchwide thing or just California? My first year we were still in the stake centered in Palmdale. I just remember that we were up all night so we were sleeping in the back of the station wagon my mom was driving on the way home. Over the old Palmdale (Roller Coaster) Road. We all puked. Second year the stake had split and we were in our own town and I remember one of the leaders brought a movie projector and zombie movies. Nobody slept. Good times. Can't do any of that non-sperachul shit that's was just for fun and fellowship anymore.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: June 11, 2021 12:56AM

Do you think it had anything to do with your mom's driving?

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Posted by: NormaRae ( )
Date: June 11, 2021 10:29AM

No. We used to have to go to Stake Conference every three months. Back when they'd have 2 sessions of it and they'd sell box lunches (on Sunday) in between sessions and we'd eat it on the lawn of the church. But I digress. Anyway, every time we'd go and had to drive over that road I'd get sick. It was truly a roller coaster.

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Posted by: Susan I/S ( )
Date: June 11, 2021 12:40AM

They even stopped all the good Primary songs. Sucked every bit of fun out.

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: June 11, 2021 01:50PM

My brothers and friends even made up our own words to the songs.

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: June 11, 2021 01:54PM

At Girls' Camp, the girls actually (gasp!) JUST WENT CAMPING. WITH NO MALE "LEADERSHIP" FOR MILES AROUND. My mother took home movies showing the girls swimming in the lake in their underwear. Yeah- bras and panties. And showed it to us kids and our family friends. And nobody was bothered in the least! (BTW, at the time I still thought girls were yucky).

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Posted by: Human ( )
Date: June 11, 2021 01:55PM

Corn Busts? Have they given up on these as well?

I hated organizing them, but I loved sampling all the attempts to outdo each other’s recipes.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: June 11, 2021 02:54PM

Two and a half minute talks, followed by “hymn practice”

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Posted by: flutterbypurple ( )
Date: June 11, 2021 05:50PM

Working on the church farm/orchard. Mine was picking green beans for hours at the farm. Hated every minute of it though.
No wonder I have never cleaned the chapel. Had enough of providing free labor to the church when I was young.(8-12)

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Date: June 11, 2021 05:55PM


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