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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 10:24AM

The new Texas law that puts a bounty on women seeking abortions, will create a new Underground Railroad of women fleeing draconian laws that make Texas closer to Gilead.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-09-02/texas-abortion-ban-handmaids-tale-scotus

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 10:44AM

I don't have a problem with the "All Life is Sacred!!" point of view.

But I do find it perplexing that so many within the "No Abortions, EVER" crowd lose their 'all life is sacred' point of view once a birth certificate is issued.

Which American state leads the other 49 in state-sponsored/sanctioned executions?

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Posted by: adoylelb ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 03:07PM

Those same people are also against masks in schools and vaccine mandates to protect those already born.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/03/2021 03:07PM by adoylelb.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 04:52PM

    Apparently 'Freedom of Religion' means the right to run red lights on your way to church is sacred.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 05:22PM

You can't go east to LA or north to OK, you have to go west to NM or AZ, south to MX, or go even further back east or to the west coast.

It takes over fifteen hours to drive to NM from Houston.

DFW and San Antonio are almost as far.

Anyone who gives you a ride, air fare, gas money, or a bus or train ticket can be sued -- including the airline, Greyhound, or Amtrak.

So, just like the infamous Fugitive Slave Law, it will have to be totally underground.

What if you are a teen from a conservative family (lots in TX, but girls still get pregnant somehow) and you don't want them to find out?

You'll be forced to give birth.

If your parents have money, they'll send you off to the wayward girls "retreat" for a few months only to mysteriously return -- just like back in the 1950s and 1960s.

You're screwed.



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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 05:34PM

    Can you get the 'day after' pill on Amazon? I'd ask Amazon myself, but they think I'm a real goody-two-shoes . . .

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 06:08PM

The problem is that even with Prime delivery, it become the Three Days Later pill.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 06:09PM


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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 06:08PM

if you can get there.

I don't think Amazon has the "morning after pill" as you need a prescription in the US.

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Posted by: Humberto ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 06:17PM

You can get them over the counter in the US. At least in my state, but I don't live in Texas...

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 06:35PM

    What happens if a guy takes the "day after" pill?

    Asking for a friend . . .

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Posted by: Humberto ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 06:46PM

A sudden compulsion to absorb oneself in episodes of "The Batchelor".

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: September 04, 2021 12:54AM

And eat kale.

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 06:02PM

But there is a problem, and that is that the new law makes everybody a potential bounty hunter. So you will never again be able to trust anybody. Those underground railroad workers could very easily be moles. Nobody can be sure of anything regarding abortions in Texas. The insecurity is the whole point.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 06:12PM

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/02/texas-abortion-out-of-state-people-of-color/

Two days after Texas’ new abortion restrictions went into effect, women’s health clinics in surrounding states were already juggling clogged phone lines and an increasing load of appointment requests from Texans.

At a clinic in Albuquerque, New Mexico, an abortion provider said that on Tuesday, the day before the law’s enactment, every patient who had made an appointment online was from its neighbor state to the east. By Thursday, all of New Mexico’s abortion clinics were reportedly booked up for weeks, and a Dallas center had dispatched dozens of employees to help the much less populated state’s overtaxed system.

But for every Texan who is able to leave town to elude the new law, there are more who can’t.

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Posted by: Anonymous Muser ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 07:16PM

The Texas law (as I understand it) does *not* allow for suing the woman getting the abortion, only those who perform or aid in the abortion, including drivers. Also, the lawsuit has to succeed for the $10K bounty to be awarded.

Still, the expansion of the concept of legal standing is one of the most un-conservative items imaginable and only serves to underscore the hypocrisy of the modern GOP and of so-called conservatives in general.

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"Texas Right to Life has set up what it calls a 'whistleblower' website where people can submit anonymous tips about anyone they believe to be violating the law."

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1033202132/texas-abortion-ban-what-happens-next

I expect that site to be inundated 24/7 with spam and prank submissions. Pro-choice hackers could easily set up bots to send enough "tips" to overwhelm and shut down the site (not that I would *ever* recommend that course of action, oh no never).

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Pushback has already begun.

"Lyft And Uber Will Pay Drivers' Legal Fees If They're Sued Under Texas Abortion Law"

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/03/1034140480/lyft-and-uber-will-pay-drivers-legal-fees-if-theyre-sued-under-texas-abortion-la

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 08:06PM

The website people say the website will be back up and running via another provider, and that...

"We will not be silenced," the group also said. "If anti-lifers want to take our website down, we'll put it back up. No one can keep us from telling the truth. No one can stop us from saving lives. We are not afraid of the mob. We will not back down."



It gives me goosebumps to be so close to such majesty!!!

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: September 03, 2021 10:27PM

No, the women themselves cannot be sued (yet). But they can be extorted.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: September 05, 2021 02:32AM

The never ending war between science and (fear, racism, and hate thinly disguised as) theology...

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/30/texas-abortion-inducing-pill-texas/

In the same week as one of the strictest abortion laws in the country went into effect in Texas, the state Legislature passed another bill that would restrict the procedure during the first term of pregnancy.

Senate Bill 4 remains identical to the version of the bill passed by the Texas Senate. Texas Democrats were unable to attach amendments to the bill, despite more than a dozen attempts, which means the bill will head straight to Gov. Greg Abbott's desk.

The legislation would limit patients’ access to abortion-inducing pills, preventing physicians or providers from giving abortion-inducing medication to patients who are more than seven weeks pregnant. Current law allows practitioners to give these pills to patients who are up to 10 weeks pregnant.

SB 4 will also ban abortion-inducing pills from being mailed in Texas. The Biden administration, last April, temporarily allowed the medication to be mailed due to the coronavirus when in-person doctor visits were not always possible or advised.

Rep. Stephanie Klick, R-Fort Worth, said this measure was necessary because the FDA could make the change allowing mailing pills permanent.

“What we see in this bill are outdated medical recommendations being codified and access to medications being rolled back,” Rep. Erin Zwiener, D-Driftwood, said. “I hope in the future we will move forward on issues of women’s safety guided by evidence.”

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: September 05, 2021 02:32AM

error, delete



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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: September 05, 2021 02:32AM

error,delete



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/05/2021 02:05PM by anybody.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: September 05, 2021 07:26AM

The GOP is on a roll. Maybe the next thing to go can be women's right to vote.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: September 05, 2021 10:12AM

My ghawd!! At least get women to wear sensible shoes!!

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Posted by: valkyriequeen ( )
Date: September 05, 2021 10:30AM

This is insane! I feel like history is almost repeating itself; in pre World War 2 Germany, it started with book burning in May of 1933.

This spy on your neighbor and return and report thing has been going on everywhere for quite some time; even the TSCC has it's Strengthening the Members Committee.

So now what? If I buy a magazine that has an article about this latest news, will I be turned in, plus the store, plus the publishers of the magazine?

I think too many people have been eating deworming medicine.

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Posted by: kentish ( )
Date: September 05, 2021 10:33AM

Presumably only the wealthier Texan will be able to afford the costs involved in travelling out of state for an extended period of time.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: September 05, 2021 11:14AM

It takes two to tango. People don't get pregnant on their own. You can't pay enough people off to keep the secret.

If the boyfriend's family finds out, they can sue. A friend or friend of a friend can sue. Any personal staff or employee can sue -- and remember, they can sue anyone and everyone involved in helping you along the way for $10K.

It's Stasiland 2.0 now in TX.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/9/1/2049624/-it-won-t-be-just-East-Texas-with-a-Stazi-now-that-there-s-a-10k-abortion-bounty-on-women

"this extreme Texas anti-choice law actually bribes people for spying on their neighbors and filing reports on their personal lives. Strangers – even abusive ex-partners – could get cash for spying on women. This is dystopian. It has no place in a free country."



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Posted by: Anonymous Muser ( )
Date: September 05, 2021 12:26PM

I'm sorry, but no. The law applies only to abortions performed within Texas. Out of state procedures are outside of the law's purview. Wealthy or middle-class white Texans can still get their abortions.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/02/texas-abortion-out-of-state-people-of-color/

There's still abortion via medication to consider. Texas is passing a law on that as well, but again the state can't do f**kall about what goes on outside its borders. Pills will still be available by mail.

"Several Republican-led states have passed laws making it harder to access the pills and banning prescriptions through virtual health visits. Texas is considering similar restrictions, which could force women to get pills by mail for do-it-yourself abortions or other methods."

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-lifestyle-health-travel-texas-fbc505c3db4a08af51ba409a91ea161c

There will be out of state doctors willing to prescribe and out of state pharmacies willing to dispense, all online. A thriving underground market will be created, and people will find other ways to circumvent the law.

In the end, this law will prove to be similar to Prohibition, but even less effective, since it's not national. It will also turn a lot of pro-choicers and independents into single-issue voters, as Republicans have been for many years. Most Americans are going to be disgusted and appalled by the totalitarian tactics. It may take some time, but this law is going to have effects nationally what Prop 187 did in California.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: September 05, 2021 12:42PM

that and Uber and Lyft will now pay their driver's legal fees and bounty's for taking women over state lines to get abortions.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/03/1034140480/lyft-and-uber-will-pay-drivers-legal-fees-if-theyre-sued-under-texas-abortion-la

This will be a boon for abortion clinics in Mexico and NM.

Is it too late to take up TX on their threat to secede from the union and give Texas back to Mexico? We'd thrown Florida in for free!



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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: September 05, 2021 02:07PM

Anonymous Muser Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm sorry, but no. The law applies only to
> abortions performed within Texas. Out of state
> procedures are outside of the law's purview.
> Wealthy or middle-class white Texans can still get
> their abortions.
>
> https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/02/texas-abor
> tion-out-of-state-people-of-color/
>
> There's still abortion via medication to consider.
> Texas is passing a law on that as well, but again
> the state can't do f**kall about what goes on
> outside its borders. Pills will still be available
> by mail.
>
> "Several Republican-led states have passed laws
> making it harder to access the pills and banning
> prescriptions through virtual health visits. Texas
> is considering similar restrictions, which could
> force women to get pills by mail for
> do-it-yourself abortions or other methods."
>
> https://apnews.com/article/abortion-lifestyle-heal
> th-travel-texas-fbc505c3db4a08af51ba409a91ea161c
>
> There will be out of state doctors willing to
> prescribe and out of state pharmacies willing to
> dispense, all online. A thriving underground
> market will be created, and people will find other
> ways to circumvent the law.
>
> In the end, this law will prove to be similar to
> Prohibition, but even less effective, since it's
> not national. It will also turn a lot of
> pro-choicers and independents into single-issue
> voters, as Republicans have been for many years.
> Most Americans are going to be disgusted and
> appalled by the totalitarian tactics. It may take
> some time, but this law is going to have effects
> nationally what Prop 187 did in California.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/09/texas-ban-abortion-fund-lawsuit.html


Does SB 8 prohibit Texas residents from traveling to another state to get an abortion?

SB 8’s text does not explicitly limit its scope to Texas. As a general constitutional principle, however, one state cannot regulate the medical practice of another’s. So the bill’s restrictions on abortion almost certainly apply only within Texas’ borders. The tougher question is whether the bill’s restrictions on “aiding or abetting” an abortion could apply even if the procedure occurred out-of-state. For instance, if you drove a friend from Texas to New Mexico to terminate a pregnancy, could you be sued in Texas for “aiding or abetting” her abortion?

Probably not, though the answer is unclear. SB 8 bars “aiding or abetting” an abortion that’s performed “in violation of” Texas law. Again, an abortion performed in New Mexico does not violate SB 8, which seems to regulate the practice of medicine within Texas. Helping a Texas resident travel elsewhere to terminate a pregnancy thus appears unlikely to fall under the law. But the text is ambiguous enough that an aggressive anti-abortion advocate could certainly file a lawsuit attempting to punish such behavior. And the onus would fall on the “abettor” to prove that their conduct falls outside SB 8.

If someone “aids or abets” an abortion in Texas but lives in another state, can Texas punish them? For example, say you live in New York but donate to an abortion fund that pays for procedures that violate SB 8. Can you be sued?

The text of the bill does not limit its geographic scope in this regard, so the answer may well be yes, at least in theory. Giving money for the specific purpose of “aiding or abetting” a Texas abortion likely establishes the minimum contacts necessary for a Texas court to assert jurisdiction over an out-of-state resident.

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