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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: November 26, 2023 04:09PM

Enquiring minds like mine want to know.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: November 26, 2023 04:36PM

I noticed this in a long-ago film(?) presentation, the line, said by one child to another (paraphrase) 'O, we're not Christians, we're Mormons'


Like I said, this was decades ago (made a strong impression)

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Posted by: cludgie ( )
Date: November 26, 2023 04:45PM

Brigham Young, for one: "The Christian God is our devil!" I wonder how the church dodges this one.

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Posted by: ShiztheBreathless ( )
Date: November 26, 2023 07:45PM

cludgie Wrote:
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> Brigham Young, for one: "The Christian God is our
> devil!" I wonder how the church dodges this one.

How about a reference so we can check it?
If real I will make small cards to post around on boards alongside the missionary "bible study| cards.

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Posted by: Dallin Ox ( )
Date: November 26, 2023 10:44PM

Brigham Young, 10/7/1857, JOD 5:331:

"Their belief reminds me that brother Joseph B. Nobles once told a Methodist priest, after hearing him describe his god, that the god they worshipped was the 'Mormons'' Devil — a being without a body, whereas our God has a body, parts, and passions." [He then transitions to Adam-God.]

https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/JournalOfDiscourses3/id/2045

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: November 26, 2023 04:52PM

I think Mormon doctrine, second edition, said that "Mormon" was a nickname of which believers should be proud just as the early church took pride in their exonymic nickname: "Christians."

Jesus, after all, did not speak Greek and hence would not have recognized the word "Christ."

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: November 27, 2023 09:28PM

or the word "Mormon"

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: November 27, 2023 09:30PM

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> I think Mormon doctrine, second edition, said that
> "Mormon" was a nickname of which believers should
> be proud just as the early church took pride in
> their exonymic nickname: "Christians."
>
> Jesus, after all, did not speak Greek and hence
> would not have recognized the word "Christ."


Or the word "Mormon".
One of the GAs said in a speech 'talk' said in English:
"these are the exact words that Jesus spoke"


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK

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Posted by: ciena ( )
Date: November 26, 2023 08:02PM

It does not matter in regards to anything, not in the very least.

Hear me out..

The condition of possibly being "Christian" or not, might properly be defined in the relationship of Jesus (the Christ) and the (believer) person, including them as the Christ follower.

Noone outside on this binary and close relationship has anything but maybe a slight clue as to what may or may not be happening.

Again, it quickly becomes none of your darn business.

I bet that feels good. And if it doses, go get some help.

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Posted by: XY Chromosome ( )
Date: November 26, 2023 11:06PM

To be considered a Christian a person merely needs to profess that they are a Christian, that's it.

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Posted by: kentish ( )
Date: November 27, 2023 11:55PM

In essence yes but if the person's life fails to reflect the change they profess it might be in order to question the sincerity of the claim.

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Posted by: blindguy ( )
Date: November 27, 2023 07:21AM

You may wish to read

https://wheatandtares.org/2022/10/28/the-real-reason-mormons-arent-in-the-christian-club/

I cannot vouch for the author or his/her motives, but I believe the history to be accurate. Just because one claims to be Christian does not mean that the broader Christian community will accept you as one, especially if you are the head of a religion that claims to be Christian-based.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: November 27, 2023 08:43AM

Thanks again for the article, blindguy.

I would add that Mormonism is also polytheistic: cosmic hierarchy of gods, Elohim is just one of many deifed once mortal beings in the universe, and select Mormon males will eventually become gods themselves. Mormonism doesn't have the same concept of a single, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent supreme deity as in the other Abrahamic religions.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: November 26, 2023 08:28PM

I believe we're mostly in agreement that the 'mainstreaming' direction of ChurchCo is increasing lately, which means in the past there was somewhat more emphasis - focus on Mormonism's focus on drawing distinctions "And I'm a Mormon", etc.


To me at least, this is ChurchCo having one foot in the boat, and another foot on the dock.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/26/2023 08:29PM by GNPE.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: November 27, 2023 08:59PM

I don’t know that a church bigwig has said Mormons are not Christian, at least not in the last century. God only knows what nonsense Brigham spouted.

What the bigwigs said was that Mormons are not Protestant. They did not separate from the Catholic Church in protest. The ancient church was restored directly by heavenly beings.

Plenty of people who don’t like the Mormons have said they were not Christian, but that wasn’t the question posed by OP.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: November 28, 2023 12:10AM

Brother Of Jerry Wrote:
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> I don’t know that a church bigwig has said
> Mormons are not Christian, at least not in the
> last century. God only knows what nonsense Brigham
> spouted.
>
> What the bigwigs said was that Mormons are not
> Protestant. They did not separate from the
> Catholic Church in protest. The ancient church was
> restored directly by heavenly beings.


that's contrary to my recollection as stated above, aren't the GAs (especially earlier) best regarded as somewhat 'loose cannons' (at least as far back as BY)?

my unprofessional assessment is that their egos prompted them to say & write things that were far off the track (Mormon Doctrine, many others); I believe that's the reason they now have a correlation committee And people tasked with surveying & OKing / editing / sometimes disapproving GA CG sermons/talks/speeches (which are they Really?)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/28/2023 01:27AM by GNPE.

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Posted by: Yahoo ( )
Date: November 28, 2023 01:17AM

We're so much better than whatever an ordinary Christian might be but please don't ask us how to even define what is Christian.

We LDS have had a lot of trouble doing such things 8n the past so that's not something you should have a look at examining in any detail.

Did I mention yet that we used to embrace multiple wives?

Now how's that maybe grab ya?

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