FWDED from another source
My stake president informed us (stake presidency) that in the last coordinating council meeting (area president-run meeting with a group of about 12 stake presidents, held quarterly) they were advised to attend the temple more often, that they couldn't perform the duties of their office without doing so, and that their attendance was being TRACKED.

I genuinely feel sorry for my stake president who spends way too many hours away from his family (several kids at home) already ... who now has to spend more time away from his kids in order to attend the temple because THEY'RE WATCHING how often he goes.

I'm still trying to find the scripture that says we or leaders need to attend x-number of times per month. Even our 5th book of scripture (the handbook) doesn't spell that out.

I’d be surprised if far more sinister covert surveillance operations were not taking place in an Organizatio with a ‘Strengthening The Members’ Committee of Latter Day Danites.

Years ago they used to track individual temple attendance with goals established for wards etc.
About 20 yrs ago they stopped doing that.
However with all the emphasis they place on it these days I can see them maybe in some different way tracking it.

So ....... To get released as a Stake president, all you have to do is not go to the temple?

So the same applies to anyone else wanting to avoid a stake level indenturement?

As Great Great Great Great grandma said. "All the temple work that can be done for our family is done. I don't have to go to the temple anymore"

We weren't tracking temple attendance, but we were tracking hometeaching which went out to SLC every month. The church used to give a dam about hometeaching. The stake president claimed that any priesthood holder who wasn't doing it was going to have an uncomfortable meeting.

So at the request of the bishop, I had to assume the lie that the stake people (about 8 in the ward and only 4 made any effort) were all doing their visits.

The rationale from the bishop was that they were busy doing the lords work and they just didn't have time to properly call in their visits. Pure BS! But I turned in false reports month after month.

What was bad was a bishop who would call in a 90 year old high priest who no longer drove a car. His younger wife had a physical disability which precluded her from driving. This 90 year old would be told off for not visiting his assigned families. Heck, he barely received groceries and sometimes I would drop by with basic groceries so they wouldn't be without.

The church and its leaders have very little sympathy for its members.

Um, people have to show their TR to get in the temple, and the bar code is scanned. Would anyone have the tiniest doubt that LDS Inc keeps a record of every person who enters any temple via a TR?

Maybe people would be a tiny bit surprised that the church keeps all that information in a central database and church leaders would have access to it, but I am not among them. I am not surprised in the least.

> Um, people have to show their TR to get in the
> temple, and the bar code is scanned. Would anyone
> have the tiniest doubt that LDS Inc keeps a record
> of every person who enters any temple via a TR?

Exactly.

I remember when the church started using those bar codes. People told me that the church had promised that it would not collect that information; the codes were just to facilitate entry into the House of Pancakes. I laughed. Since when has the church ever failed to exploit information about members?

Asking the LDS church not to monitor information at its disposal is like asking Elon Musk to refrain from selling data to China.



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Yes, I always assumed that temple attendance was tracked. How else can church leadership know who is the most faithful and who to place in high callings? Using the spirit as a guide has its shortcomings after all.

Right before I left the church, I was in a ward for eight years and was never asked to give a talk. I was faithful in every way except I hated the temple and never went. I suspect that ward tracked temple attendance and only regular temple attendees were asked to speak in Sacrament Meeting.



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They not only know how often you attend the temple, but what days you attended and what time you checked in (apparently down to the second)

From the Daybell trial 5/20

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2024/05/live-updates-sister-brother-in-law-coroner-and-fbi-analyst-all-take-the-stand-in-daybell-trial/

Testimony of FBI Tactical Specialist Nicole Heideman:

"1:52 p.m. Heideman was asked to look at attendance records for when Chad and Lori attended the temple together. Blake moves to admit an exhibit

1:57 p.m. We see a timeline on the screen of Chad and Lori visiting the temple together prior to their marriage. They went three times before Charles died. Chad and Lori met 10/20/18. They went to the Gilbert Temple on 11/16/18, Idaho Falls Temple on 4/3/19 and Houston Temple on 4/27/19.

1:59 p.m. Heideman explains those who visit the temple scan cards to enter, and Heideman reviewed the records. Cards belonging to Chad and Lori were scanned within seconds of each other at the temple"

They should give temple attendees the option of older endowment scripts. In case they are into the ghoulish stuff.

Oh great. The lockdowns normalized this stuff.

Hey, baby! Let's have an affair. I'll meet you at the temple.

LOL.

You can't make this stuff up.

. . . Getting laid on a Celestial Room couch would be / could be very symbolic, one way or another . . .

Oh, Chad. You look super sexy in that hat!

Snort! Beth, you're killing me today.

I really dig that elastic line indentation in your forehead from your temple hat, Chad. Those bathroom slippers are hot.

A clear sign that the LDS corporation (I mean, church) has far too many temples and far too few "worthy" members interested in going inside.

When I was young (I got out of the LDS racket 35 years ago, fortunately), going to the temple was a rare thing -- get sealed to family and the odd dead-dunking trip for youth.

Now, they are no doubt sensitive to empty parking lots, which is a clear indicator to the outside world that your temples are empty, and they also can push people to pay tithing to get recommends if they must go frequently.

>> A clear sign that the LDS corporation (I mean, church) has far too many temples and far too few "worthy" members interested in going inside.

That's what it seems like to me as well. We built all of these temples and now you'd better attend.

Could family members sue the church for ALIENATION OF AFFECTION?

Sue? Yes, in those states that still recognize it as a tort. Win? Nope. Not gonna happen.

https://www.religionnewsblog.com/2413/ex-husband-fails-in-suit-against-polygamists

Once the system(s) were in place to track attendance (bar codes, etc.) ... They have to be used/optimized to give an acceptable ROI, Right?

It's all about BEATING OTHERS
Rather than JOINING THEM

At the temple... Or any LDS (literal day sanctioned) (dys)function

The Cult That Takes More Families Away From Their Families' Parade Than Any Other Culture Out There

The bar code is a tattle tale and the church really doesn't know how to coax members to attend the temple. All they know is how to berate and shame members for not attending.

Years and years ago when the church began its push to get people to pay tithing (and back years owed- at least my bishop was pushing that).

As part of ward business, they would read member's names of individuals and families who were not getting squared with the lord. These were non or partial tithe payers, people who confessed their sins but had not been fully repentant. There were members who attended, but refused to make an appointment to become clean with the bishop. Yes, this was horrible, but Bishop Steel was a jerk. He didn't care that members' names were read over the pulpit during ward conference.

For several years, I was the only one in my household as a 14 year old going to the temple. My parents didn't hold a temple recommend.

First time that happened to me or my family & friends I would have walked out and never looked back.

I've ran across a few "Cowboy" bishops in my time but not that extreme. I don't doubt that there are a few out there like that but in my neck of the woods the members would put up such a stink that the stake would be forced to replace them. That happened in the Tuscaloosa third ward a few years ago. Maybe in OOTAW things are different.

So the church is threatening to take away a demanding, thankless volunteer position, which would allow these men more time with their loved ones. What could possibly go wrong with that plan?

With all those empty parking lots, some must be in places where profit could be made by renting out parking spaces by the month to workers, especially in large cities or temples near mass transit that would deliver workers to their workplace.

I wonder how much money (or more money) the LDS could be making - while giving the appearance of "filling" their parking lots?

I won't suggest it to them.

Take paradise and put up a temple lot (sung in my best Joni Mitchell voice).

I'm trying to imagine any other church making that demand in that way.

If they did, I can guess what the member would say:

"If that's how you want it, you can find someone else to do this unpaid job, and by the way I'm leaving this church as well".

A nevermo perspective. A little reality check on how demanding this church is.

Most churches are thankful to get good volunteers.

My orthopedic doctor asked me one time what do they do to you in your church? He had several LDS people come in thinking they had a serious back problem when it was contracted muscles caused by extreme stress. He said constant severe stress can cause muscle tension so bad people go to a doctor.

Misery loves company. It’s why the miserable people at church want you there.

I would say stress is why so many LDS people are on antidepressants.

Well I said it several times in here. Temple mania is going to create a witch hunt atmosphere in the church. People are going to snoop on each other over garment wearing and temple attendance.

Mormonism always tracks the LDS


Problem is Mormonism is ALWAYS off track

They don't know where most of the inactives are. So maybe they need someone else to spy on.