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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: July 14, 2024 06:48PM

Joseph Smith adapted the church to the situation. There didn’t seem to be a grand plan. The same with Brigham Young. The church is still changing and adapting. What will the church be in 50 years? I have no idea. It’s got enough money to stick around but it has to change to not be too offensive in a world that is quickly changing. The church may kick and scream but change it will.

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: July 14, 2024 09:13PM

They expelled all the theologians and replaced them with CEOs. That was when it all started.

The old church had Talmadge and B. H. Roberts and Orson Pratt and the various Joseph Fielding Smiths and McConkie. You really knew where4 the church stood on the issues. The Church (TM) doesn't even care any more. And that, of course, is one main reason most of us found our way here.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: July 14, 2024 11:13PM

Out of necessity. The theologians kept getting the church in debt. At least the CEO’s get in trouble for hiding the excess money in shell companies.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 15, 2024 06:38PM

My read of the history differs from yours, SLSkipper.

> The old church had Talmadge and B. H. Roberts and
> Orson Pratt and the various Joseph Fielding Smiths
> and McConkie. You really knew where4 the church
> stood on the issues.

Since Talmadge and Roberts and Pratt and Brown disagreed with JFS and McConkie, we by definition did NOT know "where the church stood on the issues."

That official disagreement created a space within which Mormons felt free to formulate and maintain their own personal beliefs. By ending the dissonance, the church eliminated the safe space for individuals to be themselves.

Authority without internal inconsistency is tyranny.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: July 14, 2024 11:02PM

It's an ongoing restoration.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: July 14, 2024 11:10PM

Ha! Ha! Yeah cleaver Russ speak but it makes no sense. Restoration means going back to what was. What point in Mormon history are they going back to? Ongoing means doing it in increments. But there’s no restoration that I can see. It’s only changing.

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Posted by: Humberto ( )
Date: July 15, 2024 12:03AM

They change when they need to. On the hottest spots of present American culture, it seems to me that a sort of equilibrium has been reached, wherein society isn't concerned with Mormonism's relatively unpopular doctrines on sexually and gender roles, as long as they keep them to themselves. They're deft enough to let the more vociferous evangelicals fight in the culture wars while they amass wealth under the radar.

The only pressure to make significant changes at this point will have to come from within, but these days the dissatisfied are finding satisfaction by just walking away, leaving the obedient behind. It'll be a long, long time before women get the priesthood, or gays get married in the temple, or any other newsworthy change happens.

Until then, we're left to wet ourselves in admiration of Rusty's illuminated pen, as he reveals the latest of God's feelings on missionary phone use frequency.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: July 15, 2024 01:09AM

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All organizations adapt to changing circumstances, or they eventually cease to exist. Of course LDS Inc tries to adapt. The real questions are can it adapt fast enough and effectively enough to survive.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: July 15, 2024 03:13PM

The church won’t totally implode. It might shrink to one or two million active members but it will own even more real estate by then. I think the church will be all about holding a temple recommend and attending the temple. I think a lot of the 70’s church we knew will be gone. I don’t think the leadership care about anyone but temple attenders now. Think Celestial or we don’t want you.

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Posted by: blindguy ( )
Date: July 15, 2024 08:56PM


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Posted by: Visitors Welcome ( )
Date: July 17, 2024 12:28PM

... and I paraphrase: How does creationism survive? Why, by learning to adapt!

* end of digression *

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Posted by: Visitors Welcome ( )
Date: July 17, 2024 04:20PM

... and I paraphrase: How does creationism survive? Why, by learning to adapt!

* end of digression *

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