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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: July 18, 2024 08:00AM

You can’t make people pray or believe.

Hoops and crinolines aren't coming back.

Erasing people legally does not make them invisible.

Even North Korea can’t stop knowledge of the outside world.

"Leave It To Beaver" was a fictional television show and not a reality that you can recreate.

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Posted by: Pink Pill ( )
Date: July 18, 2024 08:14AM

Funny that. You want the worst of the '60s and '70s back, and your philosophy's based on a book which was started in the 1850s. You love the past.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: July 18, 2024 06:52PM

"This Perfect Day" (1970)

"1984" (1948)

"Brave New World" (1932)

"Looking Backward" (1888)

Platforms are back, but I was never into bell bottoms -- that's before my time, so is disco.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 18, 2024 07:46PM

Pink Pill Wrote:
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> Funny that. You want the worst of the '60s and
> '70s back, and your philosophy's based on a book
> which was started in the 1850s.

Amusing. What do you think of this sentiment?

"Not only do I have a pretty good grasp of their ideas, Since I know some German, I can read Nietzsche (and Marx) in the original and have done so many times."

https://www.exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,2519520,2519578#msg-2519578

Is that claim no longer operative?

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Posted by: blindguy ( )
Date: July 18, 2024 08:07PM

Actually, you *can* force people to live in the past, even a fictional past, but you can't force them to enjoy it.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: July 19, 2024 03:52AM

Long, long ago in a wooden barge far, far away...

Fictional universes degrade over time if they are not maintained. Nobody after JS could really do that, so now the rickety old boat is taking on water.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: July 19, 2024 06:07AM

You can force people to pray with threats, but you can't make them believe it.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: July 19, 2024 10:40AM

Maybe no one can snap their fingers and get YOU to live in the past, but . . .

A charismatic leader need not force anything. Snapping of the fingers is not necessary if you are gifted. You know how to make them want the past; yearn for those supposed halcyon days, and see the present as evil. It's an art.

The Pied Piper knew which tune to play.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: July 19, 2024 12:10PM

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https://www.amusingplanet.com/2018/12/the-true-story-behind-pied-piper-of.html

The most common theory behind the tale is that the children died of natural causes such as epidemic, and the Piper was just an allegory of death. Others believe that that they may have joined the failed Children's Crusade of 1212 where thousands of children set off for the Holy Land, but many died on the way or were sold to slavery. But the theory does not explain why the story is set so firmly in Hamelin. Besides the Children's Crusade occurred some seventy years before the alleged incident in Hamelin.

A new theory suggest that the phrase “children of Hamelin” was not meant to convey literal youths, but rather “inhabitants of the town,” and that following the Pied Piper was actually a metaphor for emigrating. In the 13th century, many Germans were persuaded, by offering rewards, to settle in Moravia, East Prussia, Pomerania or in the Teutonic Land by landowners. Consequently, thousands of young adults from Lower Saxony and Westphalia headed east and settled there as evident from dozens of Westphalian place names that show up in this area.

Historian Jürgen Udolph believes that many residents from Hamelin wound up in what is now Poland. In the regions of Prignitz and Uckermark and in the former Pomeranian region, Udolph found families with the same dynastic names as in Hamelin with “amazing frequency”. Udolph surmises that the children were actually unemployed youths who had been sucked into the German drive to colonize its new settlements in Eastern Europe. Landlords often employed certain characters called “lokators” who roamed northern Germany trying to recruit settlers for this purpose. Like a medieval piper, some of them were brightly dressed and all were silver-tongued.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: July 19, 2024 12:34PM

Thanks for the history, however, much of the history I was already familiar with.

For me, the story/myth of the Pied Piper that comes to mind for most people is a great metaphor for many things even if based on a fairy tale that never really happened. I saw the legend's value as to this subject.

The lore transcends the facts as is often the case in so many things in life.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: July 19, 2024 01:38PM

My maternal grandfather's Polish family name may have German origins, and I've always been curious about that.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: July 19, 2024 01:37PM

Well, as Afghanistan and Iran have proven, you *can* get people to live in the past, but you can't get them to like it or approve of it.

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Posted by: Brother X ( )
Date: July 19, 2024 01:56PM


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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: July 19, 2024 05:09PM

We aren't going anywhere new, or, old. Nothing changes except that sometimes things can be out in the open and sometimes things have to go underground. Constant cycle.

Nobody really stopped drinking during prohibition, you know?
Wire hangers found a second use once, and now, will be out of retirement soon.

Waves. All comes in waves. The pendulum never stops in the middle.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 19, 2024 05:28PM

> We aren't going anywhere new, or, old. Nothing
> changes except that sometimes things can be out in
> the open and sometimes things have to go
> underground.

Excellent.

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Posted by: unconventional ( )
Date: July 19, 2024 06:03PM

The pendulum can get stuck on the right for 12 years though as it did in Germany from 1933 to 1945.

That’s a long time.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 19, 2024 06:15PM

It can get stuck for centuries. There is no guarantee that any social achievement cannot be reversed.

The pendulum metaphor is apposite in a healthy system, but sometimes systems break.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: July 19, 2024 06:49PM

Exactly. People are people. We are just acknowledging now what has always been true.

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