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Posted by: matt ( )
Date: August 18, 2011 02:12AM

There's another story on The Stonehenge Enigma available at
http://thatsbooks.blogspot.com/ complete with link to a review.

The book is not as controversial or as "out there" as I had feared. ;o))

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Posted by: matt ( )
Date: August 18, 2011 05:25PM

Here's a video made by the author http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szB5Xs_twDU

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Posted by: SL Cabbie ( )
Date: August 18, 2011 07:17PM

Seriously, we've had individuals stateside just like this idiot here. Erich Von Däniken, Rodney Meldrum, Wayne May, Joseph Smith...

Whether flying saucers or sailing ships, they appeal to a romantic element in many people that bypasses the critical judgment centers.

That claim of the British mainland being a group of islands in Mesolithic times is, to use your term, pure codswhallop. Agriculture would be a necessity to promote a culture capable of the sort of maritime technology claimed, and at the time we were only seeing it developing in Egypt and the Fertile Crescent. Islands would only be suitable for exploitation by hunter-gatherers, and their resources would be quickly exhausted.

A blow to British Nationalism, but some of the ancestors of today's UK "settlers" were from Mesopotamia (DNA science has confirmed that one). They probably brought their agriculture and animal husbandry with them. This fellow has no peer reviewed work; there's no "in situ" evidence for his claims, and seriously he's just another knockoff of that last clown, Gavin Menzies, you tried to pawn off on us...

http://www.1421exposed.com/

Same shinola, different shovel...

>This is not just a story about ones man’s wild theory. It is a parable of modern popular culture, a tale about intellectual chutzpah and about a publishing industry that knows how to extract profit from a public which wants to thumb its nose at the dry though documented history taught at school.

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Posted by: matt ( )
Date: August 18, 2011 07:39PM

Other archaeologists used to mock him and eventually his stance cost him his job.

However, HE was right in what he was saying. And everyone else was wrong.

He had taken time to speak with local people (the oral histories had been passed down through several generations, but ignored by the archaeologists as they did not fit in with their theory) and he got scientific data that backed up his point. The other archaeologists ignored this scientific data as it, too, proved them wrong.

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Posted by: SL Cabbie ( )
Date: August 18, 2011 07:51PM

The guy is insisting the entire geography is wrong. And that's not the province of archaeology. And his claims about carbon dating are as silly as Rodney Meldrum's...

I've been following about four archaeology boards and news groups for half a dozen years now, discussing Native American origins with the likes of Simon Southerton and a couple of other folks here. There's a lot of room to manipulate claims because we actually don't know that much.

The field is rampant with nutwads, I know. One of the biggest here is our own Dennis Stanford who's with the Smitsonian and still attempts to get people to listen to his "Solutrean Solution" stuff whenever he can.

Stonehenge has a romantic mystery about it that every Brit learns at his mother's knee, and this guy is exploiting that mystery for his own gain.

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Posted by: SL Cabbie ( )
Date: August 18, 2011 09:39PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Britain

>Around 10,000 years ago the ice age finally ended and the Holocene era began. Temperatures rose, probably to levels similar to those today, and forests expanded further. By 9,500 years ago, the rising sea levels caused by the melting glaciers cut Britain off from Ireland and, by around 6500 to 6000 BC, continental Europe was cut off for the last time.[5] The warmer climate changed the Arctic environment to one of pine, birch and alder forest; this less open landscape was less conducive to the large herds of reindeer and wild horse that had previously sustained humans. Those animals were replaced in people's diets by pig and less social animals such as elk, red deer, roe deer, wild boar and aurochs (wild cattle), which would have required different hunting techniques. Tools changed to incorporate barbs which could snag the flesh of an animal, making it harder for it to escape alive. Tiny microliths were developed for hafting onto harpoons and spears. Woodworking tools such as adzes appear in the archaeological record, although some flint blade types remained similar to their Palaeolithic predecessors. The dog was domesticated because of its benefits during hunting, and the wetland environments created by the warmer weather would have been a rich source of fish and game. It is likely that these environmental changes were accompanied by social changes. Humans spread and reached the far north of Scotland during this period. Sites from the British Mesolithic include the Mendips, Star Carr in Yorkshire and Oronsay in the Inner Hebrides. Excavations at Howick in Northumberland uncovered evidence of a large circular building dating to c. 7600 BC which is interpreted as a dwelling. A further example has also been identified at Deepcar in Sheffield, and a building dating to c. 8500 BC was discovered at the Star Carr site. The older view of Mesolithic Britons as nomadic is now being replaced with a more complex picture of seasonal occupation or, in some cases, permanent occupation. Travel distances seem to have become shorter, typically with movement between high and low ground.

The silly Stonehenge hypothesis puts the supposed origins of the monument at 5,000 years ago.. Note that we don't see agriculture beginning for another five hundred years; Britons before that time where hunter-gatherers...

>Though the Mesolithic environment was of a bounteous nature, the rising population and ancient Britons' success in exploiting it eventually led to local exhaustion of many natural resources. The remains of a Mesolithic elk found caught in a bog at Poulton-le-Fylde in Lancashire show that it had been wounded by hunters and escaped on three occasions, indicating hunting during the Mesolithic. A few Neolithic monuments overlie Mesolithic sites but little continuity can be demonstrated. Farming of crops and domestic animals was adopted in Britain around 4500 BC, at least partly because of the need for reliable food sources. Hunter-gathering ways of life would have persisted into the Neolithic at first but the increasing sophistication of material culture with the concomitant control of local resources by individual groups would have caused it to be replaced by distinct territories occupied by different tribes. Other elements of the Neolithic such as pottery, leaf-shaped arrowheads and polished stone axes would have been adopted earlier. The climate had been warming since the later Mesolithic and continued to improve, replacing the earlier pine forests with woodland.

Note that this is "woodland" and not the islands suggested by our pseudo-scientist...

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