or so says this article:

http://www.chastity.com/chastity-qa/pornography-etc/masturbation/masturbation-harmfu

Basically, they think that the more you fantasize about someone or something, and masturbate at the same time, the stronger the association is engrained in your brain between sexual pleasure and that person/thing. During masturbation, the fantasy is a false one, so you create a permanent false association with sex, and this damages your ability to have a fulfilling relationship with a real partner. Granted, the article says that this damage can be overcome with time, but it's better not to do it in the first place.

Now I have all kinds of choice words to say about this philosophy, but I'd like to hear from you all first.



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Given the laughable doctrines of mormonism, it's difficult for many of them to tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

Everyone would be fucked up. Yet, they are not.

See? The problem is that they can't change hands and gain a stoke. That's the litmus test between being "good" for you and being "bad" for you. Amateurs!! Being a shitty golfer and dropping everthing to go on the pro tour is bad for you too!

Just sayin'...

Ron

lmao! So the secret is to learn to be versatile in your stimulation! Don't do it the same way over and over with the same person for 30 years, because then you lose your ability to do it in other fulfilling ways. Isn't that what they're saying?

It's like if I grew up learning english my whole life, I'd have a harder time learning Chinese, which might be more useful for my profession. So the solution is to never learn English (or any other language) until I choose a profession, so I don't have pre-conceived ideas?

What about learning a few other languages while I'm deciding on my career? Doesn't that solve the problem in a more productive way? Learning a second language has helped me tons in not only learning a third language, but also in removing my unnecessary mental blocks and associations with the first language.

If you have a fufilling sexual relationship, a partner is pretty damn likely to help fulfull nearly any fantasies one might have.
Comparing Pavlov's dog to a human brain is yet another example of how these silly fundies misuse and misinterpet psychology to make people feel like shit for having normal urges.

If you have a realistic and healthy view of sex, I doubt you'll have any issues with enjoying it and masturbation.

Since the sex drive is a social connecting force inside the human psyche, any common constriction or restriction it, is effecting the social interaction. And therefore it is bound to effect everybody. One could argue that masturbation is handled in the environment by parental and peer pressure good enough and religious or societal leaders should respect this area of private freedom. But of course, religious leaders may use the opportunity to increase their control over individuals quite effectively it seems. Those leaders are seen as moral superior, as ideals, so when they interfere with things that, in my opinion, should be private, the uniformity control increases, which also ensures some of the air of omniscience they may have lost by the modern societal diversity.

"Despite what many modern sex educators may say, evidence shows that masturbation is harmful ... According to the research of Dr. Douglas Weiss..."


Who is Dr Douglas Weiss I asked myself and googled...


"Dr. Doug graduated from United Wesleyan College with his Bachelors of Arts degree. He received a double Masters degree in Divinity and in Marriage and Family Counseling at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. He received his Ph.D. in Psychology at Northcentral University and is a member of the American Association of Christian Counselors."
http://www.addicted.com/addiction-professionals/doug-weiss


Ahhh, so basically he's not really a qualified sexologist then... what a surprise.

Hmmmmmm....... an article from chastity.com that references a x-ian psychologist who just happens to disagree with the majority of qualified psychologists on a topic that is used in superstitious cultures to control people and submit to supernatural authority....

Something's not right here, I just can't quite place my finger on it. What could it be? I'm gonna have to pray about this one..

"Something's not right here, I just can't quite place my finger on it."

If I place my finger on it, I will damage my ability to have a fulfilling relationship with a real partner. ;-)

Now I have to clean up the water I just spewed all over my desk. Never drink and read RfM.

No!!! Whatever you do, don't place your finger on it! Or in it for that matter... You'll never be able to have healthy enjoyable sex with your spouse if you already know what you like and what sort of touches get you off. Orgasms are for men and harlots!!!!

Dammit! Jinx. ;)

1,2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10! Now you can't talk 'til I say.

I think I just came. LOL!

Ok,I'm just going to say it like it is for me. Porn and masturbation decreased my sex drive. It's not like I don't want to have sex really, but I don't really care about it that much. (I've only had sex 3 times, too). For me, it's just another one of those things that gets old after a while. I don't masturbate as often as I used to and I don't watch porn very often anymore either. I just got sick of it. I actually don't think it's a bad thing. Having sex and masturbating all those years actually FREED up my mind to think about other things, and now I'm experiencing girls who are obsessed with sex instead of me. (Well, one girl anyway). I get f*cking sick of her so fast. She has nothing to offer me. On my list of priorities right now, girls come after science, although I should state that I have never been in love, so I don't know what I'm missing. This girl that I speak of is the one that I can have sex with any time I want. She's not bad looking, but I don't have any interest in having sex with her already. I'm not a sex fiend and touching myself did not make me a monster. It stopped me from being one.

I'm interested how you could possibly prove that your decreased sex drive is the result of masturbating, looking at porn, and having sex a whopping three times...

All I can say is "You're doing it wrong."

Catholics have always been officially opposed to masturbation. Which is very weird, to me, because Catholics are all about the nookie. These days, the church teaches that in a marriage relationship, pretty much anything goes as long as it's hetero, mutual, and consensual (as opposed to what I've read about Mormon teachings, which say that things like oral sex are gross and bad and should be avoided).

I think the basic idea is that masturbation promotes dwelling on the self, as opposed to dwelling on the work one should be doing for others or dwelling on one's relationship with Christ. Plus all that stupid sh*t about how it makes a person unable to relate to real people sexually. Although there used to be a rumor that the church taught people to avoid masturbation because it made boys and men kill thousands of potential Catholics every time. I think they've revised that in light of science proving that sperm that aren't expelled just die and are replaced by new ones anyway.

It's all stupid, as far as I'm concerned, because there's a whole lot more evidence showing that masturbation is perfectly normal and healthy. So, take THAT, St. Josemaria Escriva.



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I masturbated like everyone else while I grew up, though guilt and determination to conquer my carnal desires made it such that most of the time I didn't. I thought I was weird because I had a particularly and overwhelmingly difficult struggle with it, but for the most part I came off victorious. And somewhere inside I even thought that my heightened desire was a blessing from my abstinence, and would pay off when I got married.

And it did indeed pay off on my wedding night, and left my wife horribly unsatisfied. And that made me feel awful.

But here's the worst part. Whenever I did slip up, it felt great - not just during the action, but for days afterwards. I actually recognized, even as a repentant TBM, that when I masturbated I was able to think clearer, and found it significantly easier to feel and show respect for girls. They were no longer objects that I tried to avert my gaze from, but were people with feelings and problems just like me. I tried to maintain this perspective while abstaining, and did a relatively good job, but it was much harder.

The only negative effect I've managed to observe in my own experience has been the feeling that I let down God and other people I cared about, who disapproved so much of the action. On the reverse side, I've found the absolute best thing for me was learning how to please my partner first, something I learned best through channels that would bring down the wrath of my bishop. Giving can be much more fun than receiving.

For me, no matter how I exhaust myself, the drive always comes back in full force eventually, so long as I am living a physically and mentally healthy life otherwise. And my focus never drifts to past fantasies or experiences. The present is better.

You know what they say-One in the bush is worth more than one in the hand. Or something like that.

"Unconsciously, a person forms a bond between a particular image, scent, or person and the feeling of sexual pleasure. (That's one reason they put perfume samples in porn magazines)."

LOL! What, like the ones in the standard Playboy issue!??! Honestly, I don't view Playboy as a "porn magazine". It's much more comparable to Maxim, FHM and Stuff (aka MENS MAGAZINES). There's no perfume ads in harder porn mags.

Hell, masturbation among animals is very normal. Why not the same for humans?